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Title: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Defensive Backs Added)
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on November 29, 2011, 02:17:39 PM
http://www.ubbullrun.com/2011/11/29/2592068/2011by-postion-what-happened-and-whats-next-quarterbacks

When Jeff Quinn tweeted about the "Big Announcement" I think UB fans expected something more than they got. Chazz Anderson was the outgoing third string Quarterback at Cincinnati and he was being converted to a wide receiver.

Still a mobile Quarterback who knew Quinn, and his offense was more than Buffalo had going into the spring. The 2010 season left UB with two choices at Quarterback. Jerry Davis who's struggles lost him the job and Alex Zordich a determined Quarterback who completed less than half of his passes during his injury shortened stint as UB's starting Quarterback.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on December 13, 2011, 02:57:50 PM
http://www.ubbullrun.com/2011/12/13/2633372/2011-by-position-what-happened-and-whats-next-halfbacks

Running Backs

If someone tapped you on the shoulder last December and told you several of James Starks' records would fall would you really expect it to have been to Branden Oliver?

Buffalo fans were encouraged by the prospect of finally seeing James Potts hit the field and I suspect most would think that if anyone on the roster could eclipse Starks it would have been Potts. He was one of UB's biggest recruiting gets of all time picking Buffalo over offers from Big10 and SEC schools.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next
Post by: Hokie200proof on December 20, 2011, 11:22:41 AM
Nice write-ups BIE. 

I'll be very interested to see how this offense progresses next year.  It was supposed to be Quinn's specialty.  Bout time it actually becomes a strength.  We'll have to break in a new QB again so I'm not going to expect miracles, but I would like to see more than what we've seen.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next
Post by: clodney on December 20, 2011, 12:35:32 PM
Here's an interesting question: Will we even see James Potts play this year?? Our coach is so freakin stubborn, not allowing any other backs to run the ball this year, that I could see him not even giving Potts a chance. That better not be the case.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next
Post by: BrooklynBull on December 20, 2011, 01:03:09 PM
Here's an interesting question: Will we even see James Potts play this year?? Our coach is so freakin stubborn, not allowing any other backs to run the ball this year, that I could see him not even giving Potts a chance. That better not be the case.

You are of course assuming that he can get himself eligible and will not be too rusty after a two year layoff.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next
Post by: clodney on December 20, 2011, 01:12:29 PM
You are of course assuming that he can get himself eligible and will not be too rusty after a two year layoff.

Let's assume he gets himself eligible. Wouldn't you want to see what our highest rated recruit ever is capable of, regardless of his two years away from the field?
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on December 20, 2011, 09:35:11 PM
I'd think being so close to making it, after working so hard to get here on time, would humble him. I saw him in all types of positions within the formations in the spring. The coaches would get him touches, either RB, Slot back, and/or PR, seeing as he is a legit 6' 200lb w/ jets:

Potts, in particular, looking impressive by ripping off three long gains. "I liked the way we ran the ball today," said Quinn. "We did a good job of our big boys upfront getting bodies on bodies and getting themselves engaged in a good fundamental fit position and if you give a guy like James a crease, he's got great acceleration and great vision. We are excited for James and have to keep coaching him up and developing him to play this fall. James plays with a great deal of enthusiasm and competitive fire and that's why we recruited him," Quinn said of the redshirt freshman from Florida. "We knew that he has a lot of athletic gifts and abilities and now it's his turn to step in and step up and I know the guys are excited about him on the field."

Tailback: "..Potts, who had 27 yards on just five carries (5.4 per carry)
Goal line: "Later, James Potts scampered in from the two-yard line."
Slot-back: "...[Rudy Johnson] led the offense on a 65-yard scoring drive, capped by a 15-yard touchdown pass to Potts."

I also watched Jordan Johnson many times the last 2 seasons and he's more likely a WR/DB, depending on his hands. He's more of an open-field evasive runner than a physical grinder on O, though he was a punishing hitter at DB as well.



Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Wide Receivers)
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on January 02, 2012, 03:08:03 PM
http://www.ubbullrun.com/2012/1/2/2638101/2011-by-position-what-happened-and-whats-next-wide-receivers

Every team needs a solid second receiver and right now it's impossible to know if the Bulls have that. Depth charts from 2011 make it look like you have Neutz and Lee on the outside with Hughes in the slot.

Until Lee, Hughes, or one of other receivers show they can take some pressure off of Neutz UB's receiving corps will lag a bit behind where they were this season.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: kurtdahlberg93 on January 02, 2012, 06:54:01 PM
*Fred Lee
*Alex Neutz
*Saron Hood
*Devon Hughes
Rudy Johnson
John Dunmore
Cordero Dixon
Ron Willoughby

************

Marcus McGill
Malcolm Robinson

Hopefully one or two of these guys really step up.   
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: BullsFanInChiTown on January 02, 2012, 07:36:42 PM
I really like our recievers actually. Neutz will be a top WR in the MAC. Lee and Hughes showed promise last year, and are ready to play a lot. I am also really high on Ron Willoughby. His size, stats and scouting reports read a lot like Neutzs did coming out of HS.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 03, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
I really like our recievers actually. Neutz will be a top WR in the MAC. Lee and Hughes showed promise last year, and are ready to play a lot. I am also really high on Ron Willoughby. His size, stats and scouting reports read a lot like Neutzs did coming out of HS.

Agreed. Lee has better numbers and none of the headaches that Rivers had after his first 2 seasons. Hughes isn't as fast a Terrell but was steady as a receiver, beating out Young for a time. Willoughby looked so smooth for a guy his size last spring so I can't wait to check him out in a few weeks. Hood may have been in the depth chart but he spent far more time on ST, with the younger receivers getting the bulk of snaps. Dunmore is very quick but had a tough time against D-1 DB's. I don't see either guy being major factors.

I have to disagree on BIE's summation of Rivers, of course. He regressed in 2011. He was a fast, legit contender for All-MAC consideration in 2010. His increase in 2011 receptions were like crackers; empty calories. His offensive numbers/averages were down across the board otherwise. He was the Means of the offensive side of the ball.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on January 03, 2012, 03:14:41 PM
I really like our recievers actually. Neutz will be a top WR in the MAC. Lee and Hughes showed promise last year, and are ready to play a lot. I am also really high on Ron Willoughby. His size, stats and scouting reports read a lot like Neutzs did coming out of HS.

I have to disagree on BIE's summation of Rivers, of course. He regressed in 2011. He was a fast, legit contender for All-MAC consideration in 2010. His increase in 2011 receptions were like crackers; empty calories. His offensive numbers/averages were down across the board otherwise. He was the Means of the offensive side of the ball.

But in 2011 Rivers was *the target* and Neutz the Support... I feel like a big factor in his regression was that he stood still while Neutz got a whole lot more effective.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 03, 2012, 04:20:19 PM
But in 2011 Rivers was *the target* and Neutz the Support... I feel like a big factor in his regression was that he stood still while Neutz got a whole lot more effective.

I think Davis had the better relationship with Rivers in 2010 as well, having the better deep ball. That vertical game suited Rivers more than what Chazz played. Chazz clearly targeted Neutz as the #1. My thing with Rivers is he had the tools to be better than he performed. It just mystifies me how he could have more catches but do less with them, compared to how the younger WR's around him were producing.

One telling thing to see is just how the QB's have affected things. Chazz liked the short routes, spreading the ball around (but not using the TE's) and many dumps in the flat to BO. Zordich favored throwing to Jackson/Young on the slant routes, BO in flat, and many looks to the TE's (when he was not running for his life). If Z wins the QB spot definately look for a greater utilization of Reeder/Gordon/Dennison with the young WR's...not to jump the gun on your TE preview ;).
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: Bullions on January 03, 2012, 08:31:01 PM
If Z wins the QB spot, watch out for the ball if you're in stands!

(I'm sorry, I had to...)
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 03, 2012, 09:42:37 PM
If Z wins the QB spot, watch out for the ball if you're in stands!

(I'm sorry, I had to...)

What's ironic is Z doesn't have the arm to get it in the stands many times! Licata could seriously take some poor fan out in the chairback seats, with his arm, if he tried.

Anyone who hasn't seen Z in practice much or at all since 2010, come out this spring. He's much improved.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on January 03, 2012, 10:17:06 PM
If Z wins the QB spot, watch out for the ball if you're in stands!

(I'm sorry, I had to...)

What's ironic is Z doesn't have the arm to get it in the stands many times! Licata could seriously take some poor fan out in the chairback seats, with his arm, if he tried.

Anyone who hasn't seen Z in practice much or at all since 2010, come out this spring. He's much improved.

He may be improved but it was Dais who won the starting job last season after the spring..
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 03, 2012, 10:25:24 PM
What's ironic is Z doesn't have the arm to get it in the stands many times! Licata could seriously take some poor fan out in the chairback seats, with his arm, if he tried.

Anyone who hasn't seen Z in practice much or at all since 2010, come out this spring. He's much improved.

He may be improved but it was Davis who won the starting job last season after the spring..

And Najja was 3rd string after spring, too. But fall camp is when the jobs are won, and Z surpassed Davis, got 1st team practice reps when Chazz did not and stayed ahead each week.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: UB92 on January 03, 2012, 10:37:51 PM
If Z wins the QB spot, watch out for the ball if you're in stands!

(I'm sorry, I had to...)

What's ironic is Z doesn't have the arm to get it in the stands many times! Licata could seriously take some poor fan out in the chairback seats, with his arm, if he tried.

Anyone who hasn't seen Z in practice much or at all since 2010, come out this spring. He's much improved.

That is why it was so disappointing to not see Zordich get more playing time at the end of the year.  Practice is one thing, but you can't really mimic game speed.  It was the speed of the game that Zordich needed to get used to.  At any rate, that is water under the bridge now.

Since Quinn is certainly on the hot seat, I would expect Zordich to start unless he is just terrible or Licata is great this Spring. 

Go Bulls.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 03, 2012, 11:30:30 PM
More experience would not have hurt, certainly. But Z has had ample time seeing in-game speed. Here's why I'm not worried:

9 games (3 starting) 254 snaps taken 106 passing attempts 65 QB rushing attempts
5 games (1 starting)   48 snaps taken  15 passing attempts   6 QB rushing attempts
8 games (0 starting)   13 snaps taken    3 passing attempts   8 QB rushing attempts

The top are Z's career numbers. The middle are Davis' experience counts before he was named '10 starter. The bottom are Maynard's before he was named '09 starter.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: Bullsalumfan on January 04, 2012, 02:38:46 PM
I feel Licata or another Young QB will get the nod. If Zordich was in the plans for the future why  didnt he play more last year? Towards the end he still didnt even get much if anytime... And Esp if you were only going to use him for like 4 series the whole season why the hell wouldnt you save him and redshirt him to have him for another year if he was in the plans to be the QB for the future... 2yrs with little experience with no promising results and 2yrs left. Or start with a promising young QB fans can enjoy for 3-4yrs! So   either quinns Qb plans doesnt really involve Zordich or most would say on this board he has no idea for some reason how to use his Players!
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 04, 2012, 05:41:11 PM
If they had Redshirted Z then Davis would have been the back-up, which I don't think the staff (nor any of us) would have be comfortable with. The staff said all year they would play with the QB who gave us the best chance to win and they were not looking toward 2012. Since Quinn had a chubbie for Chazz anyway because he was the 'surprise announcement' he was going to see Drew Willy-type playing time.

Z's 2010 experience is there, and the results you can throw away since he was a T-FR playing behind one of the worst O-lines in the country. That he could do anything positive while running for his life on each snap is amazing. Willy had similar issues when he was pressed into action as a T-Fr and had some horrible results, too. Last year Z got to play the conventional pocket QB, typified by his TD drive with the reserves against Akron. He's not as talented as the Maynard of '09, but he's far more seasoned in in-game experience, 2 spring practice periods, and 3 fall camps. We'll have to see if Licata is talented enough to beat him out dispute all that.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: BrandedBull on January 05, 2012, 08:29:00 PM
I have wore myself thin belly aching all year that another QB should have received playing time when the record when south. 
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: BullsFanInChiTown on January 05, 2012, 09:27:54 PM
I have wore myself thin belly aching all year that another QB should have received playing time when the record when south. 

I think we were all in agreement with this. Why Anderson played the final 3 games is something i'll never figure out.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 05, 2012, 10:33:55 PM
Think of it this way: Would anyone think to ask the same thing about the DT position, something very key for us running the 3-4? Smith was having his best year ever while Cahill didn't play nearly so many snaps and Patterson will be coming in as a R-Fr. Would anyone suggest we sit Smith and give younger players starts to get them ready for 2012?

Coaches just don't think that way, generally. You start and give the most time to players who give you the best chance to win today. Like I showed, Z has more experience than past starters (he even has as many career games played [9] as Chazz did before he transferred here), so it's not like he's going into next year like the T-Fr he once was. He probably should have replaced Chazz against BGSU late just because Chazz was playing like crap. But otherwise, Chazz gave us the best chance to win each week. 
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: UB92 on January 06, 2012, 01:07:35 AM
Think of it this way: Would anyone think to ask the same thing about the DT position, something very key for us running the 3-4? Smith was having his best year ever while Cahill didn't play nearly so many snaps and Patterson will be coming in as a R-Fr. Would anyone suggest we sit Smith and give younger players starts to get them ready for 2012?

Coaches just don't think that way, generally. You start and give the most time to players who give you the best chance to win today. Like I showed, Z has more experience than past starters (he even has as many career games played [9] as Chazz did before he transferred here), so it's not like he's going into next year like the T-Fr he once was. He probably should have replaced Chazz against BGSU late just because Chazz was playing like crap. But otherwise, Chazz gave us the best chance to win each week. 

The DT comparison doesn't make sense.  The most important position on the field is QB.  When has a DT won an MVP or POTY?

That whole experience chart you put up a few posts back pre-supposes that snaps are the most important metric for everyone.  As you well know, it isn't.  Everyone develops differently and, from looking at Zordich, he seemed to me that the game was fast for him (relative to the other guys).  That is why, in my opinion, Zordich needed all the game snaps he could get (regardless of how many Davis or Maynard received).
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 06, 2012, 04:28:25 AM
The DT comparison doesn't make sense.  The most important position on the field is QB.  When has a DT won an MVP or POTY?

That whole experience chart you put up a few posts back pre-supposes that snaps are the most important metric for everyone.  As you well know, it isn't.  Everyone develops differently and, from looking at Zordich, he seemed to me that the game was fast for him (relative to the other guys).  That is why, in my opinion, Zordich needed all the game snaps he could get (regardless of how many Davis or Maynard received).

I was waiting for a reply like that from someone. I'm talking hypothetically, why should we sit a QB when there are other positions that have serious concerns? When has a staff sat a Sr QB when he is not sucking so bad to cause loses? Rarely if ever. You see it when the starter is performing hopelessly.

Snaps just shows how many plays a player has experienced, a more descriptive metric than just games played or passes thrown, which I've shown as well. I never placed a value on it being 'more important' than anything else.

You could judge the game being "too fast" for him this year? Relative to what other guys? The Tennessee game on tv, sure, it was fast for everone. But the other games he saw this year? He didn't drop back in his 4 snaps at Temple (3 hand-offs and a roll-out run where he was sacked). Too fast for him against the crushing defenses of SBU and Akron??? When he was a combined 3-6 passing, a ton of hand-offs, 8 1st downs and with a TD drive included? He handed off or did a QB sneak in 75% of his snaps this year so I'm not sure just how anyone could sufficiently judge his "playing speed" with that sample size. 

He impressed the staff all year in his improvement from 2010 and made them think about him as starter until late in fall camp. I don't see how Z can make people sick with worry when, 1) Who the heck is going to return punts for us when the most any returning players have is 1?, 2) We have no clue who will be the starting NT, which Smith showed (with the Ohio game especially) is an impact position, 3) we have a gaggle of players who could be the 4th WR but no clue who will, or won't, step up. Unknowns certainly worry me more than a Jr potentially at QB.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: BrandedBull on January 06, 2012, 09:22:48 AM
Hillbilly, if we sat a player on the defensive side of the ball at the end of last season with the hopes the team will be better this upcoming season after all hope on a bowl game was gone, I would have been all for it.  But come on, you can't compare any position on the field to QB.  I just thought we are at a place understanding that QB is the most important and hardest position to play in college football.  Goes back to me saying four QB's in for years is a terrible thing. 
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 06, 2012, 01:17:36 PM
Hillbilly, if we sat a player on the defensive side of the ball at the end of last season with the hopes the team will be better this upcoming season after all hope on a bowl game was gone, I would have been all for it.  But come on, you can't compare any position on the field to QB.  I just thought we are at a place understanding that QB is the most important and hardest position to play in college football.  Goes back to me saying four QB's in for years is a terrible thing. 

Again, it was a hypothetical. I'm NOT saying QB isn't the most important position. My point all along is, why worry about Z when there are more dire issues with this team (As we'll see further along as B_I_E posts his position musings)? The QB's imporatance can wax and wain as well. I agree with Bob DiCesare and other reporters that UB's QB's next year will not be asked to do as much as was asked of Chazz.

Us having four QB's in four years is due to a certain past QB having an ego. It would not have been this way otherwise. Betwen Z, Licata, and Michael, we'll start seeing stabilization and some year-to-year contiuality at the position. Everyone should feel warm and fuzzy about the position the next 5-6 seasons.   

Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: BrandedBull on January 06, 2012, 01:50:27 PM
I have to totally disagree.  I do not believe that their is a more dire issue than QB with this team.  Look at the defense we had two years ago and look how terrible this team was with an underwhelming QB.  I also do not completely agree with DiCesare.  If I am the defensive coordinator and game planing for UB, I stack the box to stop the run and dare this team to beat me in the air.  Can we beat teams by throwing the ball next year?  That to me is the biggest question to answer on this team.  What is a bigger issue than QB for this team?

I am not going to comment on whether this team can or cannot pass the ball.  I just do not have an educated answer for that.  My gut is telling me that one of the QB's will eventually emerge but I think it will be after some lumps early in the season.   You may not see the starter of game one being the answer. I have not seen enough from Quinn and this staff that suggested that he will have this team firing on all cylinders on offense next season.  I also do not want to hear any excuse when the QB struggles out of the gate that he needs experience.  We had chances last year, unfortunately we had at least three games to provide experience.   

Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 06, 2012, 02:58:01 PM
I'd say, don't let 2010 bias your 'gut feeling'. 2 years ago the QB situation was as bad as it could get; only 1 guy with ANY experience, and T-Freshmen who were in their 1st Fall camp. That does not compare what we have this year: A Sr and Jr with starting experience and a R-Fr who will have been through 1 Spring and 2 Fall camps

Yes, Z never threw down the field the way Davis (inaccurately) did. But he is very close to Chazz's ability. Chazz usually threw short and had maybe 1 bigger play of 40-50 yards that would account for 1/4 to 1/5 of his yardage in a game. In Z's start against Miami he had 210 yards and threw for 9 1st downs, so even in the depths of 2010 he showed he can throw down the field.

And besides Fall 2010, Z's been ahead of Davis. B_I_E's note that 'Davis beat out Z in Spring 2011' does not take into account what was going on with Z:

1) Davis beat out everyone else in Fall 2010 because they had no experience until;
2) Davis plays so badly, and Z plays so well in practice, that Z takes the spot until;
3) Davis gets the job back only because Z gets hurt then;
4) Stays ahead of Z in the Spring, gaining the benefit of Z having missed winter conditioning due to his rib injury;
5) A fully healthy and conditioned Z wins 2nd string in Fall 2011 and;
6) Stays ahead of Davis every week of practice and in each week's 2-deep.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: BrandedBull on January 06, 2012, 03:16:27 PM
I did not see Z in 2010 sling the ball around.  I remember that he was tuck and run first.  I have not seen Z at all and I hope that Z comes out this spring and can lead this team!
I have not heard good nor bad of Z running the scout team.  I just wished he would played a couple of the second half's this year.  Again one less win last season really did not mean anything. 
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 06, 2012, 03:31:24 PM
Close your eyes and think of the O-line 2010 *shiver*. He was tuck-and running all right..for his life. But don't just go off foggy memory, look into game stats and his top periods of play. He had the expected freshmen jitters and moments of success with his natual ablility, too.

Z did not run the scout team, he was competing with the 2nd and 1st teams, but I get what you mean. Nothing was reported on Z past how he competed with Chazz last Fall. I thought his short and intermediate throws were fine in the practices I stopped to see last fall.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 06, 2012, 04:57:44 PM
On the point about DiCesare and other media regarding the QB's next year, think about what you'd tell Chazz last year vs the QB's this year:

So Chazz, welcome to UB!

You'll play behind a line with 5 guys who have never played at these positions in past years, including 2 Freshmen. We didn't have a single back with a 100-yard game last year so we replaced the OC, bulked up and are trying out packages with a FB and multiple TE's..things we couldn't do last season. The good news is you'll have 3 SR WR's and a promising Soph (though two Sr's have a history of catching a case of The Drops). You'll have some TE's but we'll mostly use them for blocking to get our running going. The K is a
converted P who volunteered because we have no one else ready, but we have to go with him to start the season. Oh, and our Defense is replacing 8 starters so you'll propably end up having to make up some deficits. Now win baby!!

The QB's this season:

So one of you will play behind 4 returning starting linemen, with 2 other young guys with starting expereince fighting for a spot. You'll have a 1000-yard rusher and capable backups, including a potentially lightning-quick playmaker who has sat for 2 years ready for his time. The lionhearted #1 Jr receiver is back along with 2 Jr's with starting experience and no issues with drops. We'll give you 3 Jr TE's who have each made 3-6 starts and 5+ receptions in their careers. We have a K who is capable of hitting from 45 yards in, so there's not a need to force anything when we can play safe for 3 points. We'll have 8 returning starters on Defense, including many guys who were recognized on All-MAC lists, so expect to be in tight games late. Manage the game, don't press, limit mistakes, and give us the best chance to win!!
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: UB92 on January 06, 2012, 11:32:33 PM
The DT comparison doesn't make sense.  The most important position on the field is QB.  When has a DT won an MVP or POTY?

That whole experience chart you put up a few posts back pre-supposes that snaps are the most important metric for everyone.  As you well know, it isn't.  Everyone develops differently and, from looking at Zordich, he seemed to me that the game was fast for him (relative to the other guys).  That is why, in my opinion, Zordich needed all the game snaps he could get (regardless of how many Davis or Maynard received).

I was waiting for a reply like that from someone. I'm talking hypothetically, why should we sit a QB when there are other positions that have serious concerns? When has a staff sat a Sr QB when he is not sucking so bad to cause loses? Rarely if ever. You see it when the starter is performing hopelessly.

Snaps just shows how many plays a player has experienced, a more descriptive metric than just games played or passes thrown, which I've shown as well. I never placed a value on it being 'more important' than anything else.

You could judge the game being "too fast" for him this year? Relative to what other guys? The Tennessee game on tv, sure, it was fast for everone. But the other games he saw this year? He didn't drop back in his 4 snaps at Temple (3 hand-offs and a roll-out run where he was sacked). Too fast for him against the crushing defenses of SBU and Akron??? When he was a combined 3-6 passing, a ton of hand-offs, 8 1st downs and with a TD drive included? He handed off or did a QB sneak in 75% of his snaps this year so I'm not sure just how anyone could sufficiently judge his "playing speed" with that sample size. 

He impressed the staff all year in his improvement from 2010 and made them think about him as starter until late in fall camp. I don't see how Z can make people sick with worry when, 1) Who the heck is going to return punts for us when the most any returning players have is 1?, 2) We have no clue who will be the starting NT, which Smith showed (with the Ohio game especially) is an impact position, 3) we have a gaggle of players who could be the 4th WR but no clue who will, or won't, step up. Unknowns certainly worry me more than a Jr potentially at QB.


When I was talking about Z and the game being fast, I was referencing 2010, not 2011.   He really didn't play enough in 2011.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 07, 2012, 02:16:32 AM
When I was talking about Z and the game being fast, I was referencing 2010, not 2011.   He really didn't play enough in 2011.

Gotcha. Most any guy starting at QB just 10 weeks after their first college practice will have a rough time with the speed of FBS. He was 1 of 2 true freshmen to start even 1 game for a MAC squad in 2010. The UGA game, if he wins the job, will be 23 months after that first start, a period that is an eternity in the context of a player's development. 1/3 of the squad has turned-over from 2010 (a good thing, mostly) so just about everything we remember from those 2010 performances will be improved.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 07, 2012, 07:24:06 PM
Back to WR's next year, we can add Aaron Walters to that possible mix. He was removed from the roster in the same manner Potts was when he had eligibility issues but both are still enrolled this spring.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: BrandedBull on January 09, 2012, 10:00:17 AM
Back to WR's next year, we can add Aaron Walters to that possible mix. He was removed from the roster in the same manner Potts was when he had eligibility issues but both are still enrolled this spring.

I like your post but I really think the QB will have to do more than manage the game.  Teams will dare UB to beat them through the air.  He will have to make plays.  Look how well that worked out for the Steelers last night. Tebow made plays.  When he doesn't look at the last three weeks for the Broncos.  Not good. 
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Receivers added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 09, 2012, 08:01:50 PM
When I say manage I don't suggest minimizing reads, routes, plays, or throws the next QB will be asked to make. More like doing things properly, as in throwing away and not taking a sack if we are in Clarke's range, or checking-down as receivers are covered. I can understand worry of the unknown and assuming the worst, but trust that these QB's have their own strengths.

Licata can actually make more of the throws you'd want your QB to make, than Chazz could. He's advanced in knowing the spread, and manipulating DB's with his eyes and pump-fakes. Zordich doesn't quite have all those deep throws but he's strong in recognizing and distributing between all available receivers, and the option of running. Neutz was on pace to finish Top 8 in the MAC in total rec. yards and was 4th in yards/catch among guys with 25+ catches, so we'll throw it. No MAC defense will be so bold to put 8 in the box when we still play the spread, especially while leaving Neutz 1-on-1. Not with his skills to get any ball.

That's kind of the way I see things: Not just the QB, but asking 'How do our established weapons open up other options for the QB?'. Defenses have to account for Neutz, play-action with BO, BO slipping out into the flat, and the speed of Potts out of the backfield or in the slot. Success with those weapons will further make things easier for using the Jr WR's and TE's.
Title: Offensive Line
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on January 17, 2012, 11:38:22 AM
http://www.ubbullrun.com/2012/1/17/2688762/2011-by-position-what-happened-and-whats-next-offensive-line

In 2010 the offensive line had the benefit of low expectations.

Outgoing Coach Turner Gill left a shallow line, too shallow to absorb any significant injuries.

Between changing the offense, and working the line to slim down, Buffalo lost several players before his season started and a few others during the coarse of the year.

It was so bad at one point that UB could not even fill out a full depth chart for the line and converted defensive lineman was backing up two sports.

So UB fans spent 2010 watching the line get pushed around. As a team they could not run, and the passing game could generously be called inconsistent.

After the season Peter Bittner, one of the best linemen Buffalo has had during its modern era, graduated.

In short there was a lot of reason to think that the line, who were now being told to bulk up, rather than get more athletic, would struggle as much in 2011 as they had the year before.

Instead the unit, despite some spring injuries, helped crank out a record setting year for Sophomore tailback Branden Oliver. The Bulls still struggled to throw the ball but for the first time in the Jeff Quinn Era the offense gave fans something exciting to watch and defenses something to worry about.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Offensive Line added)
Post by: bowz on January 17, 2012, 12:00:20 PM
Permission denied when attempting to go to the link you provided?
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Offensive Line added)
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on January 17, 2012, 12:41:01 PM
Permission denied when attempting to go to the link you provided?

Aww hell I copied the link before I published it.. Thanks


http://www.ubbullrun.com/2012/1/17/2688762/2011-by-position-what-happened-and-whats-next-offensive-line
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Offensive Line added)
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on January 18, 2012, 10:39:18 AM
One clarification: Madlock was injured and sat for the entire 2011 season, which made Cleveland Hill's success this year even more impressive. I'm not sure how he will perform stepping into the program after a year away from competition and recovering.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Offensive Line added)
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on January 18, 2012, 10:47:01 AM
One clarification: Madlock was injured and sat for the entire 2011 season, which made Cleveland Hill's success this year even more impressive. I'm not sure how he will perform stepping into the program after a year away from competition and recovering.

He does have the talent but I had not seen that he missed this entire year.

Than being said I would be suprised if even Riche breaks into the two deep right out of the gates.
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Offensive Line added)
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on January 27, 2012, 02:14:56 PM
http://www.ubbullrun.com/2012/1/27/2737030/2011-by-position-what-happened-and-whats-next-defensive-backs

Defensive Backs
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Offensive Line added)
Post by: BullsFanInChiTown on January 27, 2012, 06:37:04 PM
http://www.ubbullrun.com/2012/1/27/2737030/2011-by-position-what-happened-and-whats-next-defensive-backs

Defensive Backs

I really like Najja Johnson. He could be a shutdown corner next season
Title: Re: 2011 By Postion: What happened and Whats Next (Defensive Backs Added)
Post by: BVFA12 on January 27, 2012, 11:36:27 PM
I think that Cotton and Kling will pay off after a bit of time. Although WNY is not the power house of football that other places may be, Depew has produced some very good players in the past and those two in pure size alone have the frames to bulk if needed. I know from them being a rival school of my alma mater that containing Depew's line has been a focus of game planning rather than the individual skill players.