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Title: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on November 27, 2011, 05:56:17 PM
And is owed Six million by KU

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/10/24/2510313/turner-gill-kansas-football-coach-hot-seat
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bullions on November 27, 2011, 05:58:43 PM
BRING BACK GILL!
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on November 27, 2011, 06:01:22 PM
BRING BACK GILL!

LOL maybe we oculd get him to contribute some money towards Quinn's buyout? Hell have a few bucks to spare
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Dave S on November 27, 2011, 06:06:12 PM
$6 million within 90 days. $66,666/day. Not too shabby.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bullions on November 27, 2011, 06:47:47 PM
BRING BACK GILL!

LOL maybe we oculd get him to contribute some money towards Quinn's buyout? Hell have a few bucks to spare

I'm not kidding. We need to start printing these out and mailing the to Warde.

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Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: RochBull on November 27, 2011, 06:51:23 PM
BRING BACK GILL!

LOL maybe we oculd get him to contribute some money towards Quinn's buyout? Hell have a few bucks to spare

I'm not kidding. We need to start printing these out and mailing the to Wards.


He'll yes.... We need gill!

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Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on November 27, 2011, 07:26:26 PM
Bad situation. They wanted a coach who would instill respect #1 and they got that. But the expectations of those seeking a return to something like their Orange Bowl glory after their AD went to hell, playing a slew of ranked teams, with a roster that probably would not even win the BE title, were too great.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BrandedBull on November 27, 2011, 07:48:27 PM
Would Gill take a couple of years not paid?   He is sitting on some bank.  Bring back Danny and Juan.  Bring back Coach Stamm. 
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: CTBullsfan on November 27, 2011, 07:51:52 PM
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: kurtdahlberg93 on November 27, 2011, 07:51:56 PM
They may not have won the MAC?
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on November 27, 2011, 07:53:36 PM
Would Gill take a couple of years not paid?   He is sitting on some bank.  Bring back Danny and Juan.  Bring back Coach Stamm. 

Lets not forget Coach Moose ;)

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Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: CTBullsfan on November 27, 2011, 07:56:04 PM
Hey at least we aren't worrying at the end of every season that someone else will hire Quinn. :)
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: HomeyG on November 27, 2011, 08:21:19 PM
Excuse me but didn't he bolt the first chance he got? You don't think he would do it again? Really?
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: DCA on November 27, 2011, 08:24:34 PM
Excuse me but didn't he bolt the first chance he got? You don't think he would do it again? Really?

Wasn't he in demand after the MACC season?
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bullions on November 27, 2011, 08:49:47 PM
Excuse me but didn't he bolt the first chance he got? You don't think he would do it again? Really?

Wasn't he in demand after the MACC season?

Yes, but talk was he didn't get any meaningful offers. It confused a lot of commentators that no big school picked him up in 2008.

In the end, he left a 350k job for a 2million/year job in a more prestigious conference. I don't really blame him for that. Now, even if he does well at a mid-major, I don't see him getting a major job at least for a few more years.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on November 27, 2011, 11:22:35 PM
Excuse me but didn't he bolt the first chance he got? You don't think he would do it again? Really?

Of course he would not and quite honestly I would not want him to were all just joking around (well most of us)
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bullions on November 27, 2011, 11:51:09 PM
Excuse me but didn't he bolt the first chance he got? You don't think he would do it again? Really?

Of course he would not and quite honestly I would not want him to were all just joking around (well most of us)

I am not joking in the least. We all know what he can do, and I have no doubt he is 10 times a better coach that Quinn will ever be.

If TG ends up at UMass, I think I will snap.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: ukbro00 on November 28, 2011, 08:13:53 AM
Excuse me but didn't he bolt the first chance he got? You don't think he would do it again? Really?

Exactly!!

He took every job interview offered to him, and accepted the first offer that was put on the table.  If he left to go to Nebraska, I would understand, but he had a chance to build a program, and left for the money. I would much rather have a coach who has the heart to stay than the greed to follow the money.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: clodney on November 28, 2011, 08:28:54 AM
Excuse me but didn't he bolt the first chance he got? You don't think he would do it again? Really?
Exactly!!
He took every job interview offered to him, and accepted the first offer that was put on the table.  If he left to go to Nebraska, I would understand, but he had a chance to build a program, and left for the money. I would much rather have a coach who has the heart to stay than the greed to follow the money.

Yeah, he should have stayed at Buffalo where his greatest possible accomplishment would be winning the Meineke Car Care Bowl against the 27th best team from the Big Ten, instead of opting for the $10million dollars he just received for two years worth of work. What an idiot.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BRJACR75 on November 28, 2011, 08:37:56 AM
Im just confused on what I should call him now?  "The Kansas Head Coach" just doesnt work anymore.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BrandedBull on November 28, 2011, 08:54:10 AM
Im just confused on what I should call him now?  "The Kansas Head Coach" just doesnt work anymore.

Unemployed.  Rich and unemployed. 
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: zigo230 on November 28, 2011, 08:56:17 AM
I wonder if Gill will be a head coach again at all?  His rep took a serious hit at KU.  Glad his best memories of HC will be from his UB days.  He didn't really want to spend his life living in Buffalo though.  We all knew that. He didn't appreciate the fishing on Lake Erie like Quinn does, !
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BrazenBull on November 28, 2011, 09:13:32 AM

Yeah, he should have stayed at Buffalo where his greatest possible accomplishment would be winning the Meineke Car Care Bowl against the 27th best team from the Big Ten, instead of opting for the $10million dollars he just received for two years worth of work. What an idiot.
$2million per win, if you look at it that way.

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There's no discounting Gill's character. He took criticism for banning players from Twitter and taking away their cell phones before games, but he's a man who truly cared about his players. They defended him throughout the struggles in 2011, but Gill's time at Kansas boiled down to one simple truth.

His team wasn't good enough.

Took away their cell phones, eh?

Learned that lesson
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: xDerekRx on November 28, 2011, 05:40:16 PM
I dont (didnt) blame Gill for taking the Kansas job. It was a Big 12 job with better pay. You gotta move up slowly. Unfortunately it didnt work out. Kansas is a hoops school obviously but they just started to sniff a bit of football success. It was a good move by him but a tough situation to move into.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BrandedBull on November 28, 2011, 05:46:57 PM
I dont (didnt) blame Gill for taking the Kansas job. It was a Big 12 job with better pay. You gotta move up slowly. Unfortunately it didnt work out. Kansas is a hoops school obviously but they just started to sniff a bit of football success. It was a good move by him but a tough situation to move into.

Also set for life financially. 
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: UB92 on November 28, 2011, 05:55:35 PM
While I don't think it would ever happen that Gill returns, I think it would make an interesting storyline!  

I think those on the board who feel "betrayed" (or whatever it is you feel) that Gill left, I don't know what you expect.  MAC jobs are stepping-stone jobs for bigger and better things.  Heck MOST jobs at all levels are stepping-stone jobs.  It is rare that a coach (at this point, anyone, really...many people move jobs several times now in their careers) stays with a team for an extended period of time if they are successful.  There is always the better job to get.  I don't begrudge him in the least.

I'd much, much, much rather have that Gill left UB and leaves behind a MAC Championship than have the alternative (which is what Kansas is going through now).  If there was ever a chance Gill would return, I would welcome it.  

Go Bulls.

Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: drfish on November 28, 2011, 07:11:24 PM
Long time, no post. 

Who said, "He'll never go to Kansas because that is where coaches go to end their careers?" 

Didn't take very long did it?

I doubt his next gig is as a HC.  More likely a QB coach.  Possibly an OC or an RC. 
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: verandaman on November 28, 2011, 09:06:44 PM
I agree with you drfish.............any room on Pelini's staff in the foreseeable future?  Nothing like a homecoming.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: ukbro00 on November 28, 2011, 09:29:49 PM
Excuse me but didn't he bolt the first chance he got? You don't think he would do it again? Really?
Exactly!!
He took every job interview offered to him, and accepted the first offer that was put on the table.  If he left to go to Nebraska, I would understand, but he had a chance to build a program, and left for the money. I would much rather have a coach who has the heart to stay than the greed to follow the money.

Yeah, he should have stayed at Buffalo where his greatest possible accomplishment would be winning the Meineke Car Care Bowl against the 27th best team from the Big Ten, instead of opting for the $10million dollars he just received for two years worth of work. What an idiot.



I understand why he left. But its not like UB is Montana State. We are a huge public school with ton of potential. He never would have otten the same amount of money here, but i thought he was all about teaching kids. It seemed like he was never grateful for the opportunity that Warde gave him. He wanted to leave at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: drfish on November 28, 2011, 10:16:02 PM
I agree with you drfish.............any room on Pelini's staff in the foreseeable future?  Nothing like a homecoming.

Doubtful.  The staff was just revamped last year.  I wouldn't be surprised to see him at Illinois or perhaps at one of the PAC-12 schools that will be getting a new staff.  He has a great rep as a recruiter. 

And to ukbroo.  I guarantee that nobody now, in the near future, or perhaps ever that takes the UB job is looking to stay long term.  That is true about just about any MAC program with the possible exception of Ohio and that is only because of Solich's age.  Sorry, but that is the way it is.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bullions on November 28, 2011, 10:32:52 PM
I wonder if Gill will be a head coach again at all?

If I was the UMass AD, I would have one name on my list right now.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: everlast2504 on November 29, 2011, 12:50:25 AM
I wonder if Gill will be a head coach again at all?

If I was the UMass AD, I would have one name on my list right now.

You also have a rather big opening at a big time school. They would need to hire a coach that won't command a lot of money, on that is completely removed from the school, and one that commands respect and ethics.

I know its a long shot but Gill might be a prefect fit for Penn State. After is past 2 years a job for around 500k would be a windfall. His resume is spotless ethics and morals wise and he demands more from his players and staff.

I'll say it again for those that missed it I know its a long shot.....
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: admin on November 29, 2011, 12:58:07 AM
Gill's career is done.
He can try to rebuild it, but I don't expect him to be hired anywhere.

He did well for us, but right now, I wouldn't even hire him at UB.  He was the perfect coach for us back then, but I am not sure he can replicate the success again.  The stars really aligned for him at the time (had three legit NFL players in Willy, Roosevelt and Starks) and the ball bounced our way against Ball State.

Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BrooklynBull on November 29, 2011, 05:40:22 AM
Gill's career is done.
He can try to rebuild it, but I don't expect him to be hired anywhere.

He did well for us, but right now, I wouldn't even hire him at UB.  He was the perfect coach for us back then, but I am not sure he can replicate the success again.  The stars really aligned for him at the time (had three legit NFL players in Willy, Roosevelt and Starks) and the ball bounced our way against Ball State.



Not to mention the bounces against Temple (Hail Mary), Akron (4 OT win), Bowling Green (comeback from 20 down early in the fourth) and Army (down 14 in the fourth).
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: promotherobot on November 29, 2011, 09:16:56 AM
My beef with Gill is not for leaving UB for KU but for mailing in his last season. To me it felt like Gill expected to leave right after the MACC. And when he didn't get a job he seemed to be unfocused the following season. His players certainly played like it with cell phones on the sidelines.

That said I would be glad to see anyone but Quinn at HC next year. What's Danny Barrett doing these days?

PTR
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: HomeyG on November 29, 2011, 04:58:21 PM
I'm not mad Gill left. I just think he bolted at the first shot he got. He should have waited and seen what other openings were available. He got paid short term but he could have waited for a spot he would have had an actual chance to win.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: everlast2504 on November 29, 2011, 05:45:43 PM
I'm not mad Gill left. I just think he bolted at the first shot he got. He should have waited and seen what other openings were available. He got paid short term but he could have waited for a spot he would have had an actual chance to win.

Completely agree. If Gill waited a few more years and put up another winning record season and maybe another run at the MACC, he would of been a perfect fit for Penn State given their current situation.

Penn State need to go to the outside for their new coach they can not hire within anymore. They also need to hire a person with a perfect moral background and a coach who puts the students development into young men of respect. From his time at UB Gill has both of those down pat.

But that happening now is a 1 in a million shot.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BRJACR75 on November 29, 2011, 07:23:20 PM
I'm not mad Gill left. I just think he bolted at the first shot he got. He should have waited and seen what other openings were available. He got paid short term but he could have waited for a spot he would have had an actual chance to win.

Completely agree. If Gill waited a few more years and put up another winning record season and maybe another run at the MACC, he would of been a perfect fit for Penn State given their current situation.

Penn State need to go to the outside for their new coach they can not hire within anymore. They also need to hire a person with a perfect moral background and a coach who puts the students development into young men of respect. From his time at UB Gill has both of those down pat.

But that happening now is a 1 in a million shot.

"Penn State need to go to the outside for their new coach they can not hire within anymore. They also need to hire a person with a perfect moral background and a coach who puts the students development into young men of respect. From his time at UB Gill has both of those down pat."

You make it sound like they didnt have that.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: ed on November 29, 2011, 07:26:31 PM
He took every job interview offered to him, and accepted the first offer that was put on the table.  If he left to go to Nebraska, I would understand, but he had a chance to build a program, and left for the money. I would much rather have a coach who has the heart to stay than the greed to follow the money.

you'd have to be retarded, independently wealthy, or have some higher purpose / principal (football coach ain't it bro) to turn down the money kansas was offering to stay at ub.  good for him.  
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: DCA on November 29, 2011, 07:27:37 PM
I'm not mad Gill left. I just think he bolted at the first shot he got. He should have waited and seen what other openings were available. He got paid short term but he could have waited for a spot he would have had an actual chance to win.

Completely agree. If Gill waited a few more years and put up another winning record season and maybe another run at the MACC, he would of been a perfect fit for Penn State given their current situation.

Penn State need to go to the outside for their new coach they can not hire within anymore. They also need to hire a person with a perfect moral background and a coach who puts the students development into young men of respect. From his time at UB Gill has both of those down pat.

But that happening now is a 1 in a million shot.

"Penn State need to go to the outside for their new coach they can not hire within anymore. They also need to hire a person with a perfect moral background and a coach who puts the students development into young men of respect. From his time at UB Gill has both of those down pat."

You make it sound like they didnt have that.


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Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: verandaman on November 29, 2011, 09:23:19 PM
Probably a topic for a new thread...........what type of individual/who should take on the PSU opening?
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: mustangl33t on November 29, 2011, 10:11:55 PM
...and the ball bounced our way against Ball State.

We can thank Nate Davis for that.  Twice.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: drfish on November 29, 2011, 11:29:39 PM
Gill's career is done.
He can try to rebuild it, but I don't expect him to be hired anywhere.

He did well for us, but right now, I wouldn't even hire him at UB.  He was the perfect coach for us back then, but I am not sure he can replicate the success again.  The stars really aligned for him at the time (had three legit NFL players in Willy, Roosevelt and Starks) and the ball bounced our way against Ball State.

I assume you mean "Head coaching career."  If so, I agree it will be difficult for him to find another HC gig.  He would have to start all over at the bottom and prove he can create a consistent winner.  It will not be difficult for him to find a QB or OC gig.  I wish NU had space to take him back.  I would love to see what he could do with Taylor Martinez.  If he really wants a staff job next year, he will have it. 
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: UB_dropout on November 30, 2011, 06:51:57 AM

He did well for us, but right now, I wouldn't even hire him at UB.  He was the perfect coach for us back then, but I am not sure he can replicate the success again.  The stars really aligned for him at the time (had three legit NFL players in Willy, Roosevelt and Starks) and the ball bounced our way against Ball State.


TG may have caught lightning in a bottle with Willy, Starks, and Roosevelt, but I think that is most often the case when a mid-major has a dream season.

Also, don't discount the role the coach has in helping 3 NFL quality players gel into a championship team.  Turner is the man who made position changes and player adjustments that put people into critical roles that Hofher didn't recruit for.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: kurtdahlberg93 on November 30, 2011, 07:17:21 AM
Don't forget Richards, Newton and Scott.  Also, had a quality LB that has been playing pro ball in Canada.  I think Gill only recruited 1 NFL caliber player Josh Thomas.  I would pass on Gill at this time.     
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: drfish on November 30, 2011, 07:55:40 AM
Don't forget Richards, Newton and Scott.  Also, had a quality LB that has been playing pro ball in Canada.  I think Gill only recruited 1 NFL caliber player Josh Thomas.  I would pass on Gill at this time.     
Ah how quickly they forget.
Roosevelt was recruited by Gill.
Starks was a RS freshman safety.
Trevor Scott was a TE.
Shannon was recruited by Gill.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: dbrhee on November 30, 2011, 09:43:56 AM
Drfish, I had to concur.. Fans all want to discredit Gill stating that he had Hofner's recruit.. Or that he was just lucky and that he left the cupboard bare after he left. At the end, he made the right changes and adaptation for success. This can't be denied.. He could be a good HC but taking Kansas hurt his credentials at this moment. He will get an opportunity but not soon.

Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: kurtdahlberg93 on November 30, 2011, 01:02:38 PM
Actually from what I read, Roosevelt was originally recruited by Hofner and was going to back out when he was fired.  Gill had to talk him back and changing  positions is not that unusual in college football. 

OK - Shannon and Thomas.  What team is Shannon on?   
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bullions on November 30, 2011, 05:57:14 PM
Actually from what I read, Roosevelt was originally recruited by Hofner and was going to back out when he was fired.  Gill had to talk him back and changing  positions is not that unusual in college football. 

OK - Shannon and Thomas.  What team is Shannon on?   

Davonte's chances weren't helped by being part of a 2-10 team his senior year. He was still with the Redskins for the while.

Don't forget Zach, who's a better QB that anyone on out current roster. Possibly as good a college QB as #16. Brought in by Gill.

Gill's career is done.
He can try to rebuild it, but I don't expect him to be hired anywhere.

He did well for us, but right now, I wouldn't even hire him at UB.  He was the perfect coach for us back then, but I am not sure he can replicate the success again.  The stars really aligned for him at the time (had three legit NFL players in Willy, Roosevelt and Starks) and the ball bounced our way against Ball State.



Not to mention the bounces against Temple (Hail Mary), Akron (4 OT win), Bowling Green (comeback from 20 down early in the fourth) and Army (down 14 in the fourth).

Wow those comments are just pathetic.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: kurtdahlberg93 on November 30, 2011, 06:55:01 PM
Zack is a good one.  He seemed to get better in Cali as the year went on.

Did Gill recruit Oliver & Mack?  I think it was his last class. 

I could see 2 of these 3 ending up on an NFL roster or practice squad.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: CTBullsfan on November 30, 2011, 09:16:16 PM
I think right now Gill is an undervalued asset. I don't think hes as bad as his record at Kansas (sorry Bill Parcells sometimes you aren't what your record says you are). If I'm a non AQ team or an FCS team, I'd take him.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: verandaman on November 30, 2011, 09:20:13 PM
I think right now Gill is an undervalued asset. I don't think hes as bad as his record at Kansas (sorry Bill Parcells sometimes you aren't what your record says you are). If I'm a non AQ team or an FCS team, I'd take him.

I think this is bang on.  Gill will land; unless he chooses not to...............
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: dbrhee on November 30, 2011, 11:15:18 PM
If I am correct, BO was recruited by Gill but committed with Quinn.. I do not remember him verbal quickly for the class of 2009..
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: drfish on November 30, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
I think right now Gill is an undervalued asset. I don't think hes as bad as his record at Kansas (sorry Bill Parcells sometimes you aren't what your record says you are). If I'm a non AQ team or an FCS team, I'd take him.

I think this is bang on.  Gill will land; unless he chooses not to...............

Fortunately for Turner, he has a golden parachute.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: bowz on December 01, 2011, 09:10:15 AM
If I am correct, BO was recruited by Gill but committed with Quinn.. I do not remember him verbal quickly for the class of 2009..


BO was part of Gills 4th recruiting class in 2009
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: ukbro00 on December 01, 2011, 05:18:16 PM
And to ukbroo.  I guarantee that nobody now, in the near future, or perhaps ever that takes the UB job is looking to stay long term.  That is true about just about any MAC program with the possible exception of Ohio and that is only because of Solich's age.  Sorry, but that is the way it is.

I think my comments might have been taken the wrong way. I would think that all coaches would take the Kansas job (and they money that went into it) vs. staying at a down-trodden program like Buffalo. However, what I am imagining is someone like Gary patterson at TCU. He was offered every job in America for a few years, and turned down every single one of them, becuase he was building a program and did not want to leave what he started. Buffalo has just as much potential as TCU had.

That is the thing that separates UB from all the other schools in the MAC. Those Ohio schools will never compete with Ohio State, the Michigan schools will never compete with Michigan and Michigan State. It is  just different levels.  But is there anyone on this board who thinks that we can't compete with Syracuse or Albany or Binghamton? Yes, it will take time and we are certainly not on Syracuse's level yet, but if you have no hope, then what is the point in caring about the program and the university. I have hope and I think that we are not very far away from atheltic success.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: dbrhee on December 02, 2011, 08:35:07 AM
If I am correct, BO was recruited by Gill but committed with Quinn.. I do not remember him verbal quickly for the class of 2009..


BO was part of Gills 4th recruiting class in 2009

From that time, we never heard of BO during Gill tenure... I believe BO came up at signing day... I was looking back on the forum and confirmed that we never got any info about BO until signing day. That is why I believe TG might have contacted him but BO did not give a verbal til the end... Checking Scout and ESPN, there is no trail information stating that he confirmed during TG tenure (before going to KU)...
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BrooklynBull on December 02, 2011, 08:48:20 AM
If I am correct, BO was recruited by Gill but committed with Quinn.. I do not remember him verbal quickly for the class of 2009..


BO was part of Gills 4th recruiting class in 2009

From that time, we never heard of BO during Gill tenure... I believe BO came up at signing day... I was looking back on the forum and confirmed that we never got any info about BO until signing day. That is why I believe TG might have contacted him but BO did not give a verbal til the end... Checking Scout and ESPN, there is no trail information stating that he confirmed during TG tenure (before going to KU)...


He was clearly recruited by Gill.  He redshirted in 2009, Gill's last season at UB.

http://www.buffalobulls.com/sports/fball/2011-12/bios/oliver_branden_kcz2
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BrooklynBull on December 02, 2011, 08:50:01 AM
Gill in the mix at the other UAB.

From footballscoop.com:

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UAB: Birmingham News is reporting that Curtis Looper and Paul Petrino have interviewed and that the committee plans to speak with Garrick McGee and Turner Gill today.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: dbrhee on December 02, 2011, 09:51:26 AM
If I am correct, BO was recruited by Gill but committed with Quinn.. I do not remember him verbal quickly for the class of 2009..


BO was part of Gills 4th recruiting class in 2009

From that time, we never heard of BO during Gill tenure... I believe BO came up at signing day... I was looking back on the forum and confirmed that we never got any info about BO until signing day. That is why I believe TG might have contacted him but BO did not give a verbal til the end... Checking Scout and ESPN, there is no trail information stating that he confirmed during TG tenure (before going to KU)...


He was clearly recruited by Gill.  He redshirted in 2009, Gill's last season at UB.

http://www.buffalobulls.com/sports/fball/2011-12/bios/oliver_branden_kcz2


Thanks.. You are right.. I was looking for him and did not know... But you are right.. came in with sizemore..
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: verandaman on December 02, 2011, 02:31:20 PM
Just a guess, but with Carl Pelini going to FAU as HC, I am thinking Turner would not be a strong candidate as DC at Nebraska????   Gotta have a little fun on the Friday of the MAC Championship!
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bullions on December 02, 2011, 07:04:43 PM
Thanks.. You are right.. I was looking for him and did not know... But you are right.. came in with *********..

We do not mention that name here.

NO BRJACR75 THERE IS NOTHING GOING ON HERE. CARRY ON :)
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BRJACR75 on December 03, 2011, 07:57:38 AM
Thanks.. You are right.. I was looking for him and did not know... But you are right.. came in with *********..

We do not mention that name here.

NO BRJACR75 THERE IS NOTHING GOING ON HERE. CARRY ON :)

LOL, you mean Sizemore.  While I still stand firm with my thoughts on that, whats funny is that name has popped up recently and it wasnt me.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BrooklynBull on December 03, 2011, 01:43:52 PM
Gill in the mix at the other UAB.

From footballscoop.com:

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UAB: Birmingham News is reporting that Curtis Looper and Paul Petrino have interviewed and that the committee plans to speak with Garrick McGee and Turner Gill today.

UAB job going to McGee.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: ed on December 05, 2011, 07:05:23 PM
However, what I am imagining is someone like Gary patterson at TCU. He was offered every job in America for a few years, and turned down every single one of them, becuase he was building a program and did not want to leave what he started. Buffalo has just as much potential as TCU had.

uh, no way dude.  tcu had much more recent success (SWC champ in 94, WAC champs in 99, 00, bowl games in 94, 98, 99, 00), in much better conferences than ub immediately before gary patterson took over.  and tcu is able to pay more than gill was ever going to get at ub.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bullions on December 05, 2011, 08:27:09 PM
However, what I am imagining is someone like Gary patterson at TCU. He was offered every job in America for a few years, and turned down every single one of them, becuase he was building a program and did not want to leave what he started. Buffalo has just as much potential as TCU had.

uh, no way dude.  tcu had much more recent success (SWC champ in 94, WAC champs in 99, 00, bowl games in 94, 98, 99, 00), in much better conferences than ub immediately before gary patterson took over.  and tcu is able to pay more than gill was ever going to get at ub.

Gill got almost a 1000% pay raise. I'd like to see anyone here say they won't take a better job that gives them 10 times more money than they're making now. Basically, by signing with KU, Gill was guaranteed more money than he would have made in over 30 years at Buffalo.

Plus its not like he jumped at the first offer for more money like Brady Hoke. In 2009 Gill could have found a job at a CUSA team that would have payed a few times more than Buffalo.

Also his goal was always the Nebraska job, I don't think he ever denied that. And jumping to Nebraska would have been a lot easier if he had BCS coaching experience.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: drfish on December 06, 2011, 12:10:43 AM
Just a guess, but with Carl Pelini going to FAU as HC, I am thinking Turner would not be a strong candidate as DC at Nebraska????   Gotta have a little fun on the Friday of the MAC Championship!

They may very well consult him.  "Hey, Turner!  We are thinking about these two candidates for DC.  Which one do you like?"
Turner:  "I like Joe Blow."
Pelini:   "Great. [crossing Joe Blow off the list] Thanks." 
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: UB92 on December 06, 2011, 12:23:39 PM
Gill's career is done.
He can try to rebuild it, but I don't expect him to be hired anywhere.

He did well for us, but right now, I wouldn't even hire him at UB.  He was the perfect coach for us back then, but I am not sure he can replicate the success again.  The stars really aligned for him at the time (had three legit NFL players in Willy, Roosevelt and Starks) and the ball bounced our way against Ball State.



Not to mention the bounces against Temple (Hail Mary), Akron (4 OT win), Bowling Green (comeback from 20 down early in the fourth) and Army (down 14 in the fourth).
Not to mention the loss to WMU when we were up by 14 late and gave it away.  Let's not mention the loss to CMU with the game winning kick off the upright.   
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: verandaman on December 06, 2011, 12:33:18 PM
Just a guess, but with Carl Pelini going to FAU as HC, I am thinking Turner would not be a strong candidate as DC at Nebraska????   Gotta have a little fun on the Friday of the MAC Championship!

They may very well consult him.  "Hey, Turner!  We are thinking about these two candidates for DC.  Which one do you like?"
Turner:  "I like Joe Blow."
Pelini:   "Great. [crossing Joe Blow off the list] Thanks." 

Great answer!  Made me laugh out loud......
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: biggamejames on December 07, 2011, 07:03:38 AM
Gill's career is done.
He can try to rebuild it, but I don't expect him to be hired anywhere.

He did well for us, but right now, I wouldn't even hire him at UB.  He was the perfect coach for us back then, but I am not sure he can replicate the success again.  The stars really aligned for him at the time (had three legit NFL players in Willy, Roosevelt and Starks) and the ball bounced our way against Ball State.



Not to mention the bounces against Temple (Hail Mary), Akron (4 OT win), Bowling Green (comeback from 20 down early in the fourth) and Army (down 14 in the fourth).
Not to mention the loss to WMU when we were up by 14 late and gave it away.  Let's not mention the loss to CMU with the game winning kick off the upright.   

Add Hamlins fumble on the one yard line in the loss to Kent State.

Fact is we were in a lot of close games (even the Pitt game!). Sometimes the bounces went our way, sometimes not.

This shouldn't be counted against TG.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: drfish on December 07, 2011, 10:43:31 PM
Am I mistaken, or does Gill still stand as the coach with the best three seasons (out of his four) since UB joined FBS?
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: RochBull on December 08, 2011, 09:21:49 AM
Am I mistaken, or does Gill still stand as the coach with the best three seasons (out of his four) since UB joined FBS?

Well, he is the only coach that has managed to have a winning seaon.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: clodney on December 08, 2011, 04:35:49 PM
Am I mistaken, or does Gill still stand as the coach with the best three seasons (out of his four) since UB joined FBS?

100% accurate, unless you're talking to Hillbilly about all of the intangibles this past year's team showed.  ;)
Title: Gill Replaced
Post by: BrooklynBull on December 08, 2011, 05:47:58 PM
Jeff Quinn : UB as Charlie Weis : Kansas

Weis to replace Gill at Kansas.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: drfish on December 08, 2011, 11:12:16 PM
Maybe he can do for Kansas what he did for the Gators offense.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: zigo230 on December 09, 2011, 09:08:12 AM
Weis seems like a pretty good hire for Kansas imo.  They didn't need some on the job trainee coming in.  Now they get a ready-made coach who probably has tons of contacts to fill out his staff. He knows what it takes to win at the highest level of football.  Most of all, he inherits a train wreck of a program and that's the best type of situation to come in to.  There's only one way to go and thats up.  It's like when Gill came to Buffalo.  He wins 5-6 games and he's viewed as a hero. 
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: verandaman on December 09, 2011, 09:58:05 AM
Maybe he can do for Kansas what he did for the Gators offense.

If he does, it'll make Turner look good!

Charlie hasn't proven he can be a successful (head) coach........Notre Dame was awful under him; now the pathetic Florida offense.......curious pick in my view.

I know Leach went to Wazzu, but he would have put bums in the seats (as he will in Pullman).
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: JoeyRattlesnake on December 09, 2011, 10:00:20 AM
This, as well as the situation at Buffalo, is a classic case of not wanting to be "The Guy" who replaces "The Guy", but rather you'd like to be "The Guy" who replaces "The Guy" who replaced "The Guy."  Both Kansas and Buffalo had lofty expectations, respectively, after the 2009 seasons.  Kansas was just two years removed from an Orange Bowl victory over Virginia Teach and Buffalo just finished up a disappointing season, one year after capturing their first ever MAC Championship.  The 2008 season was what fans hoped to see year in and year out from their teams.

Gill was replacing Mangino, who was fired under speculation of physical abuse of his players, after an 5-7 year.  In most situations, that record would have bought a coach at least another year.  The regression from their 12-1 record in 2007 to 5-7 in 2009, coupled with the investigation of Mangino, left the administration with little choice.  And in galloped one of the hottest names in the country.  

Quinn, like Gill, replaced a coach one year removed from unprecedented success.  Gill was 5-7 in 2009, after going 8-6 and earning the schools first ever bowl bid (well second, but we all know about that by now) the year before.  Bulls fans thought the years of 2-10 and being considered one of, if not the, worst schools in FBS were over; they had graduated to bigger and better things.  

In both cases the next two years were huge let downs for the fan base.  The difference between the two is three letters.  BCS.  Kansas is in an automatic qualifying conference and have little patience for losing.  Because of those three little letters, they also are capable of going out and reeling in a big name, like Charlie Weis.  Buffalo can't.  It's plain and simple. So rather than buying out Quinn and paying more for a hot, up and coming coach, they ride it out.  Hope it can turn it around.  Because let's be honest, one good year will erase years of pain for UB fans.  The people in Lawerence are a little more greedy, they want it year in and year out.  

Which curse is worse?  
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: verandaman on December 10, 2011, 02:53:08 PM
.....rumored tweet by Greg Doyel at cbssports.com.......

Kansas got rid of a bad person in Mangino; then they got rid of a bad coach in Gill..........by hiring Weiss they get both.

I actually like the fat man.......Mangino that is.  Lots of bad jokes around Kansas about how Weiss will pick up traffic at the buffet dinner places; make up of the loss of Mangino.......good for the food and restaurant economy.......
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: myBuffalo on December 11, 2011, 11:24:45 PM
.....rumored tweet by Greg Doyel at cbssports.com.......

Kansas got rid of a bad person in Mangino; then they got rid of a bad coach in Gill..........by hiring Weiss they get both.

I actually like the fat man.......Mangino that is.  Lots of bad jokes around Kansas about how Weiss will pick up traffic at the buffet dinner places; make up of the loss of Mangino.......good for the food and restaurant economy.......

In all fairness, Mangino treated people the wrong way. Treated some of his players with verbal abuse regarding where they were from and how they grew up. Not a true motivator in my mind. I appreciate his story about his "paying dues" to become the head football coach, however he treated people poorly.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: everlast2504 on December 12, 2011, 01:05:09 AM
OK 6 pages about our former coach who when it comes down to brass tacks was here 3 years?  In the big picture that is a flash in the pan. He won us a championship that's awesome and no words can really describe how much it really is. But he is some one else's problem now.

There really needs for another section to be made about our players in the NFL, NBA, Europe, etc.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on December 14, 2011, 07:10:47 PM
Seriously: Gill @ Liiberty?!!? Would make Pete Gagliardi happy.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?103038-Turner-Gill-to-Liberty&s=6bdd44149e3f7438ac78b168fc3d3d73 (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?103038-Turner-Gill-to-Liberty&s=6bdd44149e3f7438ac78b168fc3d3d73)
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on December 14, 2011, 10:00:02 PM
Seriously: Gill @ Liiberty?!!? Would make Pete Gagliardi happy.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?103038-Turner-Gill-to-Liberty&s=6bdd44149e3f7438ac78b168fc3d3d73 (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?103038-Turner-Gill-to-Liberty&s=6bdd44149e3f7438ac78b168fc3d3d73)

Looks like there will be a presser tomorrow at 1:30 to introduce Gill..
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BrooklynBull on December 14, 2011, 11:34:02 PM
It is official.

http://www.bigsouthsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=4800&ATCLID=205347030

Nice picture, wonder where it is from.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: everlast2504 on December 14, 2011, 11:58:41 PM
first a statment.

My very food friend is getting married in less then 234 hours. We just finsihed bacholor party $2. I am not sobor.


Now:


enough with the BS about GIll. how give a flying rats a## where he goes. he is no longer part of UB. Let's focus on our current football team and not some coahc of rthe past who may or may not of been our best coach ever. He did coach with a stacked team afterall.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on December 15, 2011, 06:27:30 AM
On your statement and blood alcohol level, bravo! One of the best posts of the year!

On the Gil-thread point, I think it's natural to discuss the exploits of coaches past whenever things come up, from Gill to Hofher, to a Brian Polian or a Jim Haslett, no matter how they did during their time here.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: everlast2504 on December 15, 2011, 07:00:16 AM
On your statement and blood alcohol level, bravo! One of the best posts of the year!

On the Gil-thread point, I think it's natural to discuss the exploits of coaches past whenever things come up, from Gill to Hofher, to a Brian Polian or a Jim Haslett, no matter how they did during their time here.

To clarify my point in a more sober state. 

I order to grow and move on as growing Sports Program in D1, we all need to start looking forward. Its nice to bring up what our former alum are doing now but at some point it get ridiculous.  Right now UB is Coach Quinn, Reggie, Watt, Mack, etc. Let's focus on them and not 6 pages on Gill

What has Turner Gill done for UB this season? Nothing, not a single darn thing. Why, because he is not part of UB anymore.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BrazenBull on December 15, 2011, 08:31:57 AM
It is official.

http://www.bigsouthsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=4800&ATCLID=205347030

Nice picture, wonder where it is from.

I was sad for a moment, then I was reminded that Jerry Falwell is dead.  That almost cheered me up.  Now I'm back around neutral.  I guess the mature thing to do would be to wish Gill well at his new job.   sigh.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: UB_dropout on December 15, 2011, 09:47:38 AM

I order to grow and move on as growing Sports Program in D1, we all need to start looking forward. Its nice to bring up what our former alum are doing now but at some point it get ridiculous.  Right now UB is Coach Quinn, Reggie, Watt, Mack, etc. Let's focus on them and not 6 pages on Gill

What has Turner Gill done for UB this season? Nothing, not a single darn thing. Why, because he is not part of UB anymore.

I could say the same thing about the amount of debate and conversation going on here about a lost football season while our very promising basketball team is looking for support.  That's life, and you are always free to pick and choose which topics you wish to read and engage in.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BRJACR75 on December 15, 2011, 10:22:35 AM
On your statement and blood alcohol level, bravo! One of the best posts of the year!

On the Gil-thread point, I think it's natural to discuss the exploits of coaches past whenever things come up, from Gill to Hofher, to a Brian Polian or a Jim Haslett, no matter how they did during their time here.

AAAAAHHHHH!  Drunken Posts!!  That brings back memories.........

http://ubfan.com/board/index.php?topic=9479.msg101585#msg101585
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on December 15, 2011, 10:29:50 AM
On your statement and blood alcohol level, bravo! One of the best posts of the year!

On the Gil-thread point, I think it's natural to discuss the exploits of coaches past whenever things come up, from Gill to Hofher, to a Brian Polian or a Jim Haslett, no matter how they did during their time here.

To clarify my point in a more sober state. 

I order to grow and move on as growing Sports Program in D1, we all need to start looking forward. Its nice to bring up what our former alum are doing now but at some point it get ridiculous.  Right now UB is Coach Quinn, Reggie, Watt, Mack, etc. Let's focus on them and not 6 pages on Gill

What has Turner Gill done for UB this season? Nothing, not a single darn thing. Why, because he is not part of UB anymore.

Everlast they are talking about this on the Nebraska Boards... Gill was a QB in the 80's and an assistant coach in the 90's... do they need to stop talking about it so they can grow ;)
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: verandaman on December 15, 2011, 10:33:01 AM
Happy for Gill................suspect we will move along to beating up on Coach Quinn over the winter now :-)
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: UB77 on December 15, 2011, 10:39:19 AM
Maybe the program is also trying to move up.

From the Lynchburg News & Advance;

"Liberty also plans “a special announcement concerning the football program” at today’s news conference. Last October, Liberty hired Carr Sports Associates to begin an evaluation of the Flames’ overall athletic program. With the continued shifting of conference alignments nationwide, Liberty wanted to make itself as attractive as possible should the chance to move from the Big South present itself."
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: clodney on December 15, 2011, 11:09:26 AM
I think some of us should go over to the Liberty message boards to tell them exactly what they just got in their hire of Turner. Their message board is being overridden by rednecks from Kansas that are bashing the $hit out of Gill and I for one plan on giving them the other side of the story.

www.flamefans.com
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: BrandedBull on December 15, 2011, 05:11:54 PM
I understand this hire for Liberty.  Turner has always been front and center with his faith so this is a great hire for Liberty.  For Turner, this is a big gamble.  If he flames out with this team, he is done forever as a head coach.  I do think he will get more than two years to create a program but after two years, Turner was itching to leave Buffalo for greener pastures.  This is going to be interesting to watch unfold.  Good Luck Tuner.  We will be watching. 
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: CTBullsfan on December 15, 2011, 08:23:21 PM
I like Turner Gill and I know he's a man who takes his faith seriously. I hoped he would do well at Kansas

However I've lost respect for him for going to Liberty and there is NO WAY I'd ever root for that team.

Here's why

Democratic Student association can't use the Liberty name.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/blogs/the-gaggle/2009/05/22/liberty-university-bans-democrat-club.html

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Liberty University's Democratic students club received notice last week that it would no longer be able to associate the University's name with any of its activities. According to a Lynchburg VA paper, the club's leadership was told "

“There is absolutely no animosity at all toward any of these kids," Falwell said. “They are good, Christian kids who sit with me at ball games. I just hope they find a pro-life family organization to affiliate with so they can be endorsed by Liberty again."



They are anti- gay and spread falsehoods
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/09/02/311604/liberty-university-professors-all-gays-are-part-of-the-pedophile-movement/
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Matt Barber of the Liberty Counsel and Liberty University School of Law had a chat today with fellow Liberty University law professor Judith Reisman about how GLSEN’s anti-bullying efforts are “sexualing children” and “running interference for the pedophile movement.” They agreed that all of the efforts of the LGBT movement (the “sexual anarchy” movement) are geared toward supporting “the pedophile movement.”


... and as one could predict.... one of their married professors is a sexual abuser.

http://www.thedurhamnews.com/2010/01/30/200733/durham-pastor-pleads-guilty-to.html
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Moon, 45, who taught at Liberty University for 13 years, commuted two days a week from Durham and taught statistics and mathematics.

Virginia newspapers reported that the student who brought the charges against Moon had gone to his office to take a test and complained of having chronic headaches and back aches after a car accident. He offered to give her a pressure point massage and during the massage she fell asleep. When she awakened, she alleged that he was touching her genitals.

Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: UB77 on December 15, 2011, 09:44:52 PM
Press release mentions that Liberty is looking to move up to FBS. But is the picture really of Gill? It doesn't look like him to me?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-12-15/turner-gill-liberty/51980940/1
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: DCA on December 15, 2011, 09:57:15 PM
Press release mentions that Liberty is looking to move up to FBS. But is the picture really of Gill? It doesn't look like him to me?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-12-15/turner-gill-liberty/51980940/1

Every comment on that article is saying it isn't a picture of him.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: UB_dropout on December 15, 2011, 10:42:52 PM
Press release mentions that Liberty is looking to move up to FBS. But is the picture really of Gill? It doesn't look like him to me?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-12-15/turner-gill-liberty/51980940/1

Every comment on that article is saying it isn't a picture of him.

Always had the same problem at Buffalo.  Web sites were always putting up pics of Danny Barrett in articles about Gill.   One black man is the same as another, I guess.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bullsalumfan on December 15, 2011, 11:10:14 PM
http://www.libertyflames.com/index.cfm?PID=10854&TeamID=9     

Same old turner gill speech.. Interesting choice for him. If Liberty does move into the direction of FBS then im thinking Gill is right man for the job and he will be able to bring in recruits and he seems to think they have the facilities... He did it a Buffalo with NO facilities. But if they stay in the fcs for a few years then i dont know what he was thinking.. You go from  Head coach at UB to Kansas( didnt have enough time) to a 1AA school? I thought he would get a shot in the MAC or C-USA or something...

Shoulda stay at Buffalo Turner!
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Hokie200proof on December 20, 2011, 11:10:51 AM
Also count me out for rooting for Gill @ Liberty. 

Not happening.  When he leaves there I might get back on the bandwagon.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: clodney on December 20, 2011, 12:33:52 PM
Also count me out for rooting for Gill @ Liberty. 

Not happening.  When he leaves there I might get back on the bandwagon.

I didn't know anything about that school until this whole Gill thing and now after reading about their "3,000 year old dinosaur fossils" and their ban of a student Democrat Club, I think I'll jump off of the Turner Gill support bandwagon as well.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: everlast2504 on December 20, 2011, 06:58:40 PM
http://saveandrewgarib.com/?page=templates/article&articleid=333

liberty at a glace.

I am truly shocked they hired a black head coach in a multiracial marriage. 

After all they shut down the democratic club there for having liberal social views and being in line for an unltra conserative mindset it doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: RochBull on December 22, 2011, 08:50:52 AM
Can't say I can root for Gill at Liberty either for the same reasons others were posting earlier. I wish him luck, and hope he can find a better coaching job soon.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on December 22, 2011, 09:29:25 AM
Also count me out for rooting for Gill @ Liberty. 

Not happening.  When he leaves there I might get back on the bandwagon.

I didn't know anything about that school until this whole Gill thing and now after reading about their "3,000 year old dinosaur fossils" and their ban of a student Democrat Club, I think I'll jump off of the Turner Gill support bandwagon as well.

Just love the tolerance...

Yup I hate freedom of assembly for folks who disagree with me on a political issue...
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: UB_dropout on December 22, 2011, 12:15:07 PM
Could you imagine the outcry on Faux News if a public school like UB banned the Young Republicans?   I know we're pretty close with the Gay Christian thing, but that group is still allowed to assemble, they just lost their funding.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Bull_In_Exile on December 22, 2011, 12:25:00 PM
Could you imagine the outcry on Faux News if a public school like UB banned the Young Republicans?   I know we're pretty close with the Gay Christian thing, but that group is still allowed to assemble, they just lost their funding.

Yea all those national headlines because they just suspended a Christian Group who violated the rules defined by the institution.. oh wait that was one spectrum article that was in favor of the ban!

Are kids who were in the young democrats actually banned from assembly on campus? or just not recognized / funded by liberty?

When a member of the young democrats sent Falwell a mail here was his reply:

We do not believe and have not stated that one cannot be Christian and Democrat. We are encouraging this club to affiliate with Democrats for Life or some similar organization so that we can endorse them once again. Even if they remain affiliated with the DNC, they will not be prevented from meeting on campus or having a club. They just cannot use LU's name because of the DNC's position on abortion.

The situations are *exactly* identical so check how consistent you are being.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: everlast2504 on December 22, 2011, 01:01:52 PM
Could you imagine the outcry on Faux News if a public school like UB banned the Young Republicans?   I know we're pretty close with the Gay Christian thing, but that group is still allowed to assemble, they just lost their funding.

Its Fox News and its a lot closer to the center then CNN, not by much though and a hell of lot closer then msnbc.  Liberty is an extermly religious institution, the sutdents truly chose to go there because of what the school is. The students are also held to the honor code that they must uphold. It just so happens there are alot of left wing ideals that are in direct disagreement with this honor code. Does it suck? Yes it does. Should these students should of known that their democratic club would be defunded? I hope so.

Also Fox news if it knew about it would be all over a school banning young republicans, democrats, i have a feeling that if the christian club thing kick the kid out, it would of made news.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: Dave S on December 22, 2011, 01:18:49 PM
Can we chill with the political discussion? I don't agree with some of you, but this thread was about Gill going to Liberty and not about the biased approaches of certain news organizations.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: UB_dropout on December 22, 2011, 05:17:58 PM
Can we chill with the political discussion? I don't agree with some of you, but this thread was about Gill going to Liberty and not about the biased approaches of certain news organizations.

Sorry I let my politics run into this, I'm usually better than that.  Although I do lean slightly to the left of center, I do understand Liberty's position and their right to be there.

That being said, I do honestly believe it is a great match for Turner, and sincerely wish him the best of luck at Liberty.
Title: Re: Gill officially gets the Ax
Post by: nyquil on December 22, 2011, 11:54:27 PM
I liked chanting "Evolution" when we played Liberty in hoops.