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Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: Thoughts on Bucky's Latest Article
« on: February 04, 2018, 01:20:59 AM »

Football Attendance 16,13,16,15,12,18 -> That's not a strong positive trend, that's one decent-ish year. Further if you look at that year the Season opener against Stony Brook drew 21K, the other games were meh.... 

Yes, if you go outside of those three years to add more data, you will find it is cyclical.  Which is my point.  White rode a cycle where the program was up.

What part of "not a positive trend" did you not understand... FFS man, I even drew you a picture!

The 2014 season saw an uptick in attendance because the Bulls were coming off their second ever bowl game.

Then tell me why, cupcake, 2009 was so low, after coming off our first.

Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: Thoughts on Bucky's Latest Article
« on: January 27, 2018, 08:01:22 PM »

2006 16,417
2007 13,568
2008 16,924

Year   |   White?   |   basketball   |   football   |   Contributions
2009 10   |   Before   |   1,977   |   15,960   |   $308,429
2010 11   |   Before   |   2,039   |   12,980   |   $731,269
2011 12   |   Before   |   3,073   |   18,020   |   $384,436

2012 13   |   Durring   |   3,093   |   13,242   |   $1,320,953
2013 14   |   Durring   |   3,486   |   22,736   |   $384,436
2014 15   |   Durring   |   3,639   |   20,403   |   $600,252

2015 16   |   After   |   3,243   |   18,457   |   $1,058,460
2016 17   |   After   |   3,791   |   17,493   |   $1,913,487
2017 18   |   After   |   2,256   |   13,350   |   TBD

Highest attendance for each three year period marked in bold.

Let's go through the flaws here..
Football Attendance 16,13,16,15,12,18 -> That's not a strong positive trend, that's one decent-ish year. Further if you look at that year the Season opener against Stony Brook drew 21K, the other games were meh....

Once you dig down into the numbers beyond "muh averages" it's pretty clear White improved attendance and UB. In both football and hoops.

Now, I'd like to clarify that I've never said NYBI did anything for attendance...The concert series and game day changes which were made under white had the most to do with that. Those are the aspects that have not changed. Greene kept doing what white started, that's why he was the right hire.

NYBI was about donations and profile and, funny, you left those out of your in depth analysis. So I put them in for you...

Now, bearing in mind that Greene retained most of white's staff and kept ahead with everything he could from his predecessors regime. Look what happened.. UB has had three years of 1M+ donations since white came here and *0* before that.

White did not excel at Buffalo.  Buffalo excelled in a window that happened to fit in with the time White happened to be stopping by.

That's a real convenient.... Except you're leaving out the fact that Warde Manuel was also an outsider, like white, who rattled a whole lot of cages when he got here.

The attendance was already trending upward before White arrived.

Here it is visually for you, tell me what you notice..

Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: Thoughts on Bucky's Latest Article
« on: January 22, 2018, 09:57:45 PM »
>  I think Danny White was a failure at UB.

Higher attendance, more conference titles, more money raised....

I can only hope our Next AD is a failure by those measures.

Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: fan attendance at bulls games
« on: February 18, 2017, 12:07:15 AM »
I think it is silly talk to say kill football.  Heck, UB doesn't even fill Aluminum Arena for BB............some people think because they like BB that that is the only thing that matters, and that is stupid.  Football pays bills, even if it bad football.....

UB will never make anything passed the first round in basketball.

Nobody said kill it, but drop down to FCS. The program is one of the worst since it's been FBS. Nobody goes to games after September. The stadium sucks. Nobody in WNY cares. Focus those resources into basketball.

UB has a waaaaaay better shot at getting passed round 1 (you obvisously don't watch the tourney to say something so stupid) than football does playing in anything better than the little Cesar's bowl or whatever meaningless bowl game nobody watches. Much better chance of exposure being in the big dance and making some noise than play in those stupid bowl games. (Hard to do when you are 2-10/4-8 each year anyway)

There would be a lot of early costs associated with dropping down to FCS, including fees to get out of the MAC and lost revenue from conference affiliation and TV contracts.  Also, I assume that we bus most places for MAC football games.  FCS would likely require a larger footprint.

We would save on scholarships (i.e. lost tuition revenue) since FCS requires less scholarships than FBS...but that assumes we wouldn't subsidize those lost students in other ways (academic scholarships, etc.)

I am almost certain they charter flights to even the mac games.

What FCS conference is better for us, geographically, than the MAC?

Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: fan attendance at bulls games
« on: February 18, 2017, 12:06:16 AM »
I say it all the time, drop football or drop it down to FCS, focus all money and resources on hoops here. Be a Villanova/Marquette/Gonzaga/Creighton etc.

Oh, FFS!

If we drop to FCS we lose.....

A million dollars a year from the football playoff payout (MAC get's 12 million)
3/4 of a million a year (or about that) from the MAC's TV contract
500K-1,000,000 a year in payout games against teams like Nebraska, Minnesota, and Penn State.

So there... We're FCS and we can drop some scholarships saving about a million...
And we've thrown away 2-3 million in revenue.

Tell me again how this would help anything?

Buffalo Bulls Football / Nevada BRUWPEG!
« on: September 12, 2016, 02:12:58 PM »
Hey all, here is the BRUWPEG for the Nevada games. After one week things are wide open.

What's really funny to me is how fast these state governments are tripping over themselves to send non essential travel to Cuba despite their horrid human rights record....

But whatever. Cuomo can ban a state school from travel if he wants to... If he wants to screw over Albany so be it.

Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: NCAA League/Team payouts
« on: May 18, 2016, 05:23:39 PM »
Its universal. The WAC, America East, Summit, CAA, Horizon, NEC, Southern, SWAC, Big South, MAAC, Mountain West, Big Sky. MAC, Ohio Valley and MEAC each got 1.7m and divide it up by the number of conference teams. This one one of the reasons Butler left the Horizon  League as whether theywon the league tournament or not, more than likely they'd get an "At Large" bid and after 2 consecutive final fours, enough was enough sothey went to the A-10 with the league fully knowing they would move to the Big East when the football schools departed. Also every game whether home or away is on one of the FOX channels so its attractive to recruits.

Ummmm no... The conference gets 1.7 million and then divides it up, not always equally. I'm not sure of the exact formula anymore but there is a chunch divided equally and then the rest based on tournament games played, home games, and RPI..

General Discussion / Re: Applications up 10%
« on: March 27, 2016, 09:59:14 AM »
This nugget is nice to see

"Geographic diversity also is on the rise, with a 12 percent increase in applications from those outside New York State."

Buffalo Bulls Football / Solomon Jackson Passed away last night
« on: March 01, 2016, 09:15:13 AM »

No details on what happened and frankly I don't want them. Pray for his family and we will update this article if a public memorial service is announced.

Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: Poetic Justice! Hurley bites it in opener
« on: February 05, 2016, 01:52:51 PM »
I have been thinking about this particular Hurley thread and I really don't know why it exists.

Maybe to keep an eye on a few of those players that were recruited to UB (or left UB)...that's okay.  But to troll Hurley ("Hurley bites it in the opener"), I think we should just let it go away without the updates on how ASU lost such and such game.

Hurley came here and in two years he won a MAC Championship.  I will never forget that.

But...the whole league hated Hurley.  And this should come as no surprise to anyone.  Everyone hates Hurley...still...and he hasn't played in a long time.  He's the same dude that everyone hated twenty years ago (except Duke fans).   Now he is just with ASU and I am sure the whole PAC 12 hates him...except ASU fans (for now).

He tried to burn the program down on his way out the door.

Not sure what you mean here.  That he took a few guys with him when he made a move to a P5 conference?  Or something else?

I've heard it was Hurley or someone in his camp who brought the news into the "internal strife" for the hit job piece they leveled at Danny White. I also belive (but have literally no proof at all) that Evans was advised by someone to start his social media tantrum.

Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: 2016 Schedule
« on: January 14, 2016, 02:46:08 PM »
Albany. AGAIN. We are the only FBS school in the country trying to build a rivalry with a freaking FCS school. I hate it.

Twice in a row is not a rivalry, it's a cheap game to buy. Now Temple and Villinova had a freaking trophy game!

General Discussion / Re: Starks
« on: January 14, 2016, 02:43:22 PM »
His game yesterday was awesome.
At first Lacy got down field and Starks scored. Then Starks got em downfield and Lacy scored. It was really awesome to watch.

And I hear the two get along really well, always the first to congratulate the other on a great play/game.

General Discussion / Re: UB Athletic Financing
« on: December 17, 2015, 11:00:15 AM »
No to DIII..

UB would then not be mentioned with the Miami of Ohios but the Buff States..

Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: 2016 QB...a transfer?
« on: December 06, 2015, 10:33:47 AM »
Could be possible. Grant Rohach of Iowa State...didn't play this year, wants out. Would be eligible to play right away. He said he's talked to Buffalo, Southern Utah and James Madison.

One year of eligibility.... right? I'm not thrilled about that.

This says he has two years. Thats better.

That can't be correct.  He's played three years and will graduate from ISU in December.

Did not see the field this year and used his RS. If he can play right away he has two years.

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