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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: Hurleys v. Cuse
« on: March 14, 2018, 04:36:43 PM »
i can't get upset with the asu play in and say that they don't deserve a shot given some of their big wins this year (wins over number 1 seeds xavier and kansas). i've never been a big fan of over weighting feb wins over nov wins - just shorten the season if you want to do that. you can certainly make the argument other teams deserve a spot (half the fun of march madness and selection sunday), but asu isn't a bad choice, and certainly deserves it under the quadrant system.

that said, go 'cuse!

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: UB Basketball Excellence Fund
« on: March 12, 2018, 05:15:48 PM »
If you were paying any attention to UB athletics the last six years you would be familiar with the excellence fund.

do a search on this site for excellence fund - you'll only get a handful of results. one other thread that i see.  i just did a search on my buffalo.edu email / fund raising spam trap (:P), and there's nothing there. why would you expect people to be familiar with it?  where would one have heard about it? and by being on a board like this, i'm sure i follow ub sports more than 99.999% of ub alumni.  :P

Lastly, I hope you get on board!

would seriously love to get more info.

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: UB Basketball Excellence Fund
« on: March 12, 2018, 04:28:06 PM »
Surprising lack of info in the link on the fund - anyplace to find more details on how the mo ey is used / what it's targeted for? Or does it go to a general athletic fund?

From the site:

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The BEF has been established to provide ongoing and recurring, comprehensive support for our men’s and women’s basketball programs. Although we cannot join our coaches on the road while recruiting or draw up the game-winning play during a final time-out, we can still have a dramatic impact on the future of our men’s and women’s basketball programs. Additional funding will allow UB to build the financial foundation necessary to compete at the highest level. For more information about the BEF, please contact the Blue & White Fund at (716) 645-6867. Your commitment to the BEF will provide support to many critical areas of need and significantly enhance our competitive success.

i'm still not sure what this fund is for? comprehensive support.  uh, does it pay coaches salaries? buy gatorade? fund infrastructure? 

why the f' do i need to call for info about the BEF instead of it being on the website?

i found an article about it when it was created:
http://www.ubbulls.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/201401146g5ay8

makes it sound like a coach's slush fund, which i doubt it is:
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"The BEF was created to provide our coaches with additional resources for their programs," says Eric Gross, Assistant Athletic Director for Development.  "Resources to be put toward any critical areas of need that our coaches believe will help them compete for and win championships.

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: UB Basketball Excellence Fund
« on: March 12, 2018, 04:19:37 PM »
Surprising lack of info in the link on the fund - anyplace to find more details on how the mo ey is used / what it's targeted for? Or does it go to a general athletic fund?

Surprised a UB fan wouldn't know details. The Excellence fund and been promoted extensively since Danny White's days. I'm going to donate the $250.00 for you since you're all about wouldas. couldas, shouldas, ifs, buts etc. and I could never see you making any kind of donation based on your commentary here, a UB fan forum. Prove me wrong and make a donation.

i've been in california since '99.  i precede danny white by a few years. surprisingly, there's not a lot of coverage of buffalo out here.  ::)

as for giving to ub, i've donated to ub's annual giving drive, volunteer as a mentor through ub's career mentoring program, and had offered up industry design reviews to my 'home' department at ub for student senior design projects when my adviser was the department head (surprisingly, no takers. i've supported purdue, slo, and tuskeegee programs instead).

i have not donated to the athletics department because they haven't had a cohesive plan to advance the program. they are on a nice streak though, and i'll take a look at the excellence fund and see what other info they have on the site.

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He deserved that raise.
He needed to get an extension to do his job better. Otherwise it hurts his recruiting.

How so? He was already under contract for, what, 3 more years?

Coaches need at least 4 years in their contract to effectively recruit kids. Any less and other coaches use it to let potential recruits know. You’re basically recruiting at a disadvantage.

I don't follow recruiting much, so had to do some digging. Looks like we likely have our best recruiting class coming in... Committed / recruited with Oats at 3 years left on context.  :-P

Why did Hurley get an extension?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/1082866001
Same reason. It’s what happens in college basketball and football.

Similar thing happened for Coach Leipold.

Right, for a pay raise other than what's already contracted  Like I've been saying  Note how they're not making claims of necessary for recruiting. :-D

Although in Hurley's case, it probably does have a significant  difference in keeping him around - it puts him solidly within range of big program salaries (not the elite top 5 or so though), which he was under.  Oats increase isn't going to make a dent in him staying or not.

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What utter nonsense: Hurley just received a $700k raise. A salary crunch at ASU isn't why he didn't bring Oats with him,. And Buffalo didn't need the buyout money to make the offer to Oats, as it was a DECREASE in salary when Hurley left.

Your right, the difference of over a half million dollars meant nothing to the department. Hence why we never turn down CIT or CBI bids, and of coarse we host those games when we have the chance. Also why we don’t send our football team out to slaughter to SEC country or OSU. There is no ecomical reason to extend Oats, we don’t need the money... and our Indoor practice facility was also built 2 decades ago, so we have that going for us. Why get a bigger buyout when it cost the tax payers probably 50 billable lawyer hours. That is just wasteful spending.

It's not nothing. It's also not why those things happened. And it shouldn't be why those things happened - relying on one time payments for recurring salary is just dumb.

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He deserved that raise.
He needed to get an extension to do his job better. Otherwise it hurts his recruiting.

How so? He was already under contract for, what, 3 more years?

Coaches need at least 4 years in their contract to effectively recruit kids. Any less and other coaches use it to let potential recruits know. You’re basically recruiting at a disadvantage.

I don't follow recruiting much, so had to do some digging. Looks like we likely have our best recruiting class coming in... Committed / recruited with Oats at 3 years left on context.  :-P

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What utter nonsense: Hurley just received a $700k raise. A salary crunch at ASU isn't why he didn't bring Oats with him,. And Buffalo didn't need the buyout money to make the offer to Oats, as it was a DECREASE in salary when Hurley left.

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: UB Basketball Excellence Fund
« on: March 12, 2018, 12:34:59 AM »
Surprising lack of info in the link on the fund - anyplace to find more details on how the mo ey is used / what it's targeted for? Or does it go to a general athletic fund?

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He deserved that raise.
He needed to get an extension to do his job better. Otherwise it hurts his recruiting.

How so? He was already under contract for, what, 3 more years?

Coaches need at least 4 years in their contract to effectively recruit kids. Any less and other coaches use it to let potential recruits know. You’re basically recruiting at a disadvantage.

Ha, i bet for a program like UB, the idea the coach is likely to jump might be an incentive to come here! A talented, unrecruited player might think it's an opportunity to jump to a bigger program. :-D

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To remind me how much a contract extension helps to keep a coach around, and what a deterrent a MAC level buyout deters bugger programs, how long was Hurley around after signing his extension?

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He deserved that raise.
He needed to get an extension to do his job better. Otherwise it hurts his recruiting.

How so? He was already under contract for, what, 3 more years?

It’s not rocket science. Because it allows the university the funds to hire a more reputable new coach, or give one of the assistants more money to stay then we previously could afford. No extension, UB gets approx 1/2 mill if some university with bottomless pockets comes calling, now with extension, university receives 1+ mill. So with that extra money maybe we can afford to hold on to the assistant coaches that recruited this next class and hopefully insure to those young men that the program and style of play will not change.

The claim is a contract extension helps recruiting if he gets poached? That's a freaking stretch. And when extended to say that it allows us to afford to pay someone that was one of the assistants, it really makes no sense. Which of the assistants was likely to turn down $350k to be head coach?

Nope, my claim is that if oats gets poached, we have the money so UB can pay the current staff more and it makes it harder for him to take his staff along with him, the men who did a lot of the recruiting and know the kids coming in. And retain the programs continuity. And the obvious, $ still matters so the higher the price tag the better.

Hurley was making $550k / yr + bonuses. And we were on the hook for up to $750k to Reggie. We can afford anything we'd be willing to pay, without relying on one time payouts.

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He deserved that raise.
He needed to get an extension to do his job better. Otherwise it hurts his recruiting.
He loves Buffalo. He may leave eventually but it will make sense when he leaves. And we will love him when he leaves. Not like the last coach who left.

Let’s see. He was making 350 for three more years. So if a team wanted to buy him out then they’d pay just over 500k. With the new contract at 575 let’s say over five years you’re looking at a buy out of somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.4 mil. That’s a lot of dough. Plus I have it on good authority Oats and his family love being in Buffalo and UB.

$1M delta in buyout isn't an issue for any school that would be a presenting a big upgrade from a $355k salary. (Edit: perspective: UB was willing to eat $750k to get rid of Reggie, plus pay much more for new coaches) The dude was a high school teacher 3 yrs ago in Detroit, and is getting paid $355k per year in Buffalo now, but still dropped a threat to leave, despite having a contract in place for 3 more years.$355k. In BUFFALO. that goes a loooong way.  That should tell you he doesn't have much love for Buffalo.

And to be clear, I'm not judging him, but I don't get the 'yea!' on this on fans' part. He'll announce he's leaving after THIS season, with the right offer, damn the extension.

He is not leaving after THIS season. I’ll donate 1k to the excellence fund if he does. You donate $250.00 if he doesn’t. Deal?

I said he would, IF he got a killer offer. Not that he is going to - I don't think he's leaving this year, but I didn't think he was leaving this year WITHOUT an extension, so I'm not sure the point of your wager.

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He deserved that raise.
He needed to get an extension to do his job better. Otherwise it hurts his recruiting.

How so? He was already under contract for, what, 3 more years?

It’s not rocket science. Because it allows the university the funds to hire a more reputable new coach, or give one of the assistants more money to stay then we previously could afford. No extension, UB gets approx 1/2 mill if some university with bottomless pockets comes calling, now with extension, university receives 1+ mill. So with that extra money maybe we can afford to hold on to the assistant coaches that recruited this next class and hopefully insure to those young men that the program and style of play will not change.

The claim is a contract extension helps recruiting if he gets poached? That's a freaking stretch. And when extended to say that it allows us to afford to pay someone that was one of the assistants, it really makes no sense. Which of the assistants was likely to turn down $350k to be head coach?

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: NCAA Tournament Selection Sunday/Monday
« on: March 11, 2018, 05:49:23 PM »
ESPN bracketology has us in SD vs Kentucky. Ouch, don't want to see us v KT in first round.

On the other hand, San Diego is an easy drive for me... How hard has it been to get tickets to these games from UB Tix office in previous years? :Ear they only get a couple hundred tix to sell, right?

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