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Title: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on March 21, 2018, 04:38:50 PM
I get the sense that it may be difficult to keep Jack. I think it’s more likely she decides to move on. Bronstein has been tweeting about her situation. He mentions that there hasn’t been any discussions about a new contract and that she’s looking for raises for her assistants so she and they can move forward. I wouldn’t be surprised if she could be a bit put off that she hadn’t been approached since Oats was and got a new deal. Oats on the other hand I still believe will be here next year. I just don’t see him leaving Perkins and CJ behind with an excellent recruiting class coming in. Apparently Bryan is out in Kansas recruiting. No stopping these guys.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: promotherobot on March 21, 2018, 04:49:41 PM
I'm thinking the same. All your points plus she's losing a lot of the team to graduation. She's likely a hotter candidate now than later. I did get the sense that she wasn't getting shown the love Oates was.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: TML1000 on March 21, 2018, 05:00:22 PM
On the flip side, there is a chance she may not want to go back to a "major" conference team. She was previously in such a scenario and did not have near the success she has had in Buffalo. Of course, FLG has grown and improved as a coach since but it may be tougher to pull off how she has transformed the program here in a place where women's basketball may be an after thought in comparison to other teams.

Money is obviously always a major factor but certainly far from the only factor. FLG is one of if not the most well-like and well-respected coaches and people in the WNY and truly has the ability to further build this program. Yes, some of the major players this season are departing but the cupboard is far from bare with returnees and incoming recruits.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: 121Merrimac on March 21, 2018, 05:51:22 PM
... but the cupboard is far from bare with returnees and incoming recruits.

I wish I knew more about how the WBB recruits compare with other schools.  We have been spoiled by VerbalCommits dot com on the men's side.  Are there any sites that anyone uses for WBB recruiting info? 

I just found https://prospectsnation.com/players/verbals/2018, but have no idea how reliable it is.  It doesn't list anyone for Buffalo, and suggests that both Miami and EMU have a 4 star player coming in next year.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: zigo230 on March 21, 2018, 06:00:46 PM
I think they will show her plenty of love once the season ends.  I mean she did say she loves UB and would like to retire here.  So let's see UB and their shiny new AD step up at seasons end and do what it take to keep her in Buffalo.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: MillenniumBull on March 21, 2018, 06:44:46 PM
A lot easier to keep WBB coach around. Only a handful of programs around the country have a Women’s game as an income sport, and outside of those teams, salary disparity is much more negligible. And the MAC should of been a 3 bid league this year, so there isn’t too many greener pastures. The entire staff absolutely is due for raises
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on March 21, 2018, 09:38:40 PM
Jacks name has been mentioned in connection with BC. Oats has been mentioned in connection with UConn and Pitt. Dan Hurley is the first choice of both. The guess is that Hurley goes to UConn as that is the area he recruits well and is most familiar with. Pitt reportedly offered Hurley a 3M/year deal. Meanwhile Oats keeps saying things that suggest he isn’t going anywhere. 
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: promotherobot on March 22, 2018, 01:53:11 AM
What does the highest paid women's coach in the MAC make?
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: BullsFan14 on March 22, 2018, 08:44:55 AM
I think what we are seeing is a nice show. Here is what I think (could be false):

Flashback to mid season - Coach Jack says that she loves Buffalo and Western New York. Active in the community. Coach Oats on the other hand does not play into the community but his team. Saying that he wants to coach these guys next year because we will be better with more recruits.
For mid-season, this is what I thought. Coach Jack loves the team and Western New York/Buffalo. Coach Oats loves his guys. Don't get me wrong, I think Oats likes Buffalo but not as much as Coach Jack.

End of season - Both coaches do extremely well. In the market, men's basketball coaches are more likely to go quicker than women's coaches. Oats is not as tied to Buffalo as Coach Jack. Their main concern was sign Oats to extension even before a new AD comes on board. This would ensure Oats stays.
Why not Coach Jack?

This is where I become a conspiracy theorist. Athletics mentions to Coach Jack. We want you but wait a second for......

UB hires new AD, Mark Alnutt. One of the questions in the press conference, What is your priority with signing Coach Jack? This is what they were hoping to hear as a question. UB wants to hear them wonder about Coach Jack. It means media/people are interested in the Coach Jack extension and for good reason. Coach Jack as done amazing things for this city and the team.

AD Mark Alnutt's first major accomplishment, signing Coach Jack for an extension.

Not only does this give everyone what they want. It also starts Alnutt on a good foot and gets the general public to warm up to him as well. It is a great PR move heading into football. They were waiting on the extension for the new AD.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: TML1000 on March 22, 2018, 09:20:18 AM
... but the cupboard is far from bare with returnees and incoming recruits.

I wish I knew more about how the WBB recruits compare with other schools.  We have been spoiled by VerbalCommits dot com on the men's side.  Are there any sites that anyone uses for WBB recruiting info? 

I just found https://prospectsnation.com/players/verbals/2018, but have no idea how reliable it is.  It doesn't list anyone for Buffalo, and suggests that both Miami and EMU have a 4 star player coming in next year.

Women's recruiting info is a tough go...the 4 star recruit for Eastern is from Baldwin, who just won back to back state titles in NYS. She is legit but not sure at the level of a total program changer. She has benefited from playing with some other fantastic players around her that has likely boosted all of their stock on recruiting sites.

The lack of info on the incoming UB recruits might have to do in part with that 3 of the 5 are from Canada. From what I have seen, I am particularly excited to see Ade Adeyeye...looks like she could be a very special player.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: BasketBull on March 22, 2018, 10:35:43 AM
Adam Zagoria is talking up Oats as option B for Pittsburgh now that Dan Hurley is headed to UConn. I forgot how awful this wait and see game feels.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: guru on March 22, 2018, 10:54:17 AM
With what Coach Jack has done the last few years being one of the top teams in the MAC and putting UB on the national scene it should be a no brainer for Mr. Alnutt to give the caoching staff an extension with salary bumps. I think Coach Jack would stay here especially with Dillard here one more year and I would think she wants to continue all this success and start with a new recruiting class that on paper seems to have the potential to be very good. Coach Jack has some 6ft3 women coming in along with another point guard. But it is always uncertain how quickly they will develop. It should make for a interesting year. Go Bulls!!!
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: admin on March 22, 2018, 12:15:28 PM
Adam Zagoria is talking up Oats as option B for Pittsburgh now that Dan Hurley is headed to UConn. I forgot how awful this wait and see game feels.
Wasn't really nervous about this, but at $3 million/year, could that be the crazy offer Oats was referring to in his interview?
Hopefully not. Hopefully that was like a Kentucky, UNC or Duke job opening up.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: dbburns on March 22, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Adam Zagoria is talking up Oats as option B for Pittsburgh now that Dan Hurley is headed to UConn. I forgot how awful this wait and see game feels.
Wasn't really nervous about this, but at $3 million/year, could that be the crazy offer Oats was referring to in his interview?
Hopefully not. Hopefully that was like a Kentucky, UNC or Duke job opening up.

If Oats is smart, he'll stay another year with UB regardless of what opens up.   He's a hot commodity now yea, but imagine how he's viewed in the market next year with a better team, potentially in the top 25, hopefully a similar / better run in the tourney.   

Very possible that we're in the top 25 and sweet 16 next year.  Think how other fan bases will view him and Buffalo.  Lot of things need to happen, but it's a possibility....now lets say that happens.   Teams will be throwing offers of 3m at a minimum.   Assuming there is competition for his services, he could wind up with a much better offer.

I dont think Oats could get the same offer as Hurley from Pitt or UConn.   They would tell him he hasnt done as much, but next year he could get that same offer.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: sportscliche on March 22, 2018, 12:36:35 PM
Well, here we go:

https://www.zagsblog.com/2018/03/22/pittsburgh-talking-to-buffalo-coach-nate-oats/
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on March 22, 2018, 12:55:57 PM
We’ll see what happens. Pitt is a train wreck. But 3M isn’t pocket change. Pitt is known for their excellent medical facilities and health care so I could see where Pitt would make sense on all fronts for Oats. I hope I’m wrong and they decide that building a program, with the construction phase we’ll under way, has the most appeal.

Meanwhile the new AD is quoted as saying he’ll sit down with FLJ after the season and talk turkey so that’s a good sign.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UBFan99 on March 22, 2018, 01:01:38 PM
Well, here we go:

https://www.zagsblog.com/2018/03/22/pittsburgh-talking-to-buffalo-coach-nate-oats/

Yup and Pitt can easily pay the 1 million buy out, which is why I never got excited about the contract extension because it really stops nothing for most power 5 schools.

Hopefully oats realizes the disaster Pitt is right now and going forward and waits another year for a better opportunity.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on March 22, 2018, 01:25:57 PM
Just got done doing some surfing and the names I see mentioned in connection with Pitt are Nate, Mike Hopkins formerly of SU and now head coach at Washington and Mark Schmidt. I’d be surprised if Hopkins left the Huskies after one year but just maybe he wants to get back east and closer to his old recruiting ground. With the graduation of Adams and Mobley I could see where this would be a great time for Schmidt to jump. Nate’s situation would seem to be much stronger next year with optimism and expectations at all time highs. But one thing is for sure, I do not like this one bit!
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: zigo230 on March 22, 2018, 02:04:25 PM
Dang, it's starting to feel like it will be an upset if UB can keep both coaches.

When is it time to start looking at names who can come in, keep the recruits and maintain the excellence that Oats and FLJ have instilled?
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: MillenniumBull on March 22, 2018, 02:18:15 PM
Ugh, I can see Oats turning down Pitt, but if Louisville comes calling... best arena in all of basketball imo. And I am including the NBA
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: ub2019 on March 22, 2018, 02:25:46 PM
Most people have been saying Chris Mack, the Xavier head coach, is the favorite for the Louisville job.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: Dave S on March 22, 2018, 02:41:40 PM
Most people have been saying Chris Mack, the Xavier head coach, is the favorite for the Louisville job.

But then you have to worry about Xavier coming after Oats.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: zigo230 on March 22, 2018, 02:46:19 PM
Even folks on the Rhode Island board list Oats as one of the favorites for that job.  Everybody who has an opening has Oats on their list! 
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on March 22, 2018, 02:54:19 PM
Pittsburgh Post gazette article. http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2018/03/22/nate-oats-pitt-coaching-update-dan-hurley-uconn-heather-lyke-ad/stories/201803220155

I just talked to someone who knows Hopkins well and said, “no way Hopkins takes Pitt job”.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: Kevin on March 22, 2018, 03:06:26 PM
Slim.

Nate is going to PIT IMO. If he doesn't, we get 1 more year with him.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: Jeseph on March 22, 2018, 03:54:15 PM
Really hoping I'm shocked when Oats announces he is not taking the Pitt job and will not be fielding additional offers until next year.

I hate this feeling.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: TML1000 on March 22, 2018, 03:59:29 PM
I will be surprised if he returns at this point....even though it would seem all the signs point to Oats getting a far better deal if we match or better our success from this year into next year (which should be a near certainty).

Also, have seen some comical stuff on Pitt boards including "Buffalo is remote," and "how does he recruit to the MAC with how low it is on the totem pole." (MAC ranked 9th in RPI this season)
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: squire17 on March 22, 2018, 04:26:54 PM
Oats would be crazy to walk away from what Pitt reportedly offered Hurley. And he’s not crazy. On the other hand, as 85 pointed out, Pitt is a dumpster fire. Plus there are going to be more openings next year and the year after and...so I say he stays one more.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: BasketBull on March 22, 2018, 06:16:04 PM
Jon Rothstein was on WGR around 4:45 this afternoon and said that any rumors of Pitt contacting Nate Oats today were false "at this point."

Found the quote on WGR's twitter: "As of right now those reports are inaccurate as of midday today Nate Oats was not a candidate at Pittsburgh,"

https://twitter.com/WGR550/status/976929755063816192
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on March 22, 2018, 07:25:03 PM
Oats would be crazy to walk away from what Pitt reportedly offered Hurley. And he’s not crazy. On the other hand, as 85 pointed out, Pitt is a dumpster fire. Plus there are going to be more openings next year and the year after and...so I say he stays one more.

I like crazy!
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on March 22, 2018, 08:19:28 PM
Latest reporting http://pittsburghsportscastle.com/pitt-athletic-department-to-re-evaluate-coaching-search-friday/ out of Pittsburgh suggests an athletic department meeting to evaluate their search.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on March 22, 2018, 08:34:45 PM
Good news on the Pitt front perhaps: https://pittsburgh.forums.rivals.com/threads/the-crazy-steigy-says-we-are-going-back-at-miller.128895/

It appears that Pitt may now be focusing on Sean Miller who is from the Pittsburgh area. Let’s hope this happens!!
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: Jeseph on March 22, 2018, 08:40:02 PM
That board is just stressing me out more, they have threads in every direction but many of them are high on Oats (I know it's mostly just fans discussing). Oats please hold a press release stating you're going NOWHERE before you head out to support the Women's team in Albany
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: MDBullsfan89 on March 23, 2018, 01:48:24 AM
Pitt screwed up with Kevin Stallings all the way - hiring him in the first place and then firing him only 2 years later with a huge buyout to deal with. Sure they can afford to pay Oats more anyway, but chances are they'll screw this up to our benefit. And again. Oats is too smart to take on this train wreck/dumpster fire/whatever you wanna call it.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: guru on March 23, 2018, 10:29:28 AM
It is still very nerve wrecking about Pit. I thought Miller said he is not interested in the Pit job. I agree Oats should just come out and say he is not interested in the Pit job. I think he is supposed to be in Albany on Sat for the women's game. After all his comments about wanting to stay at UB and getting the big raise and all his comments about loving it here with his familly it would be very troubling if Oats leaves. With all the positive vibes here and all the negative vibes at Pit I can't see him taking the job. Wishful thinking maybe. Is the old saying "Money isn't everything and the grass isn't always greener on the other side" even in the equation anymore. Not sure anymore in today's world. Hope for the best and Gop Bulls!!!
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: zigo230 on March 23, 2018, 12:02:50 PM
On the flip side, it's the same in all walks of life and career.   When you're a hot commodity and people want to PAY you lot's of money,  it's time to cash in.   I know we all hope Nate waits at least one more season to do it.  Maybe his family life will dictate that he stays in Amherst for the 2018-2019 season, knowing they will have another great chance to win the MAC.   But if he leaves i can't really blame him. 
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: McBulls on March 23, 2018, 12:16:32 PM
Gotta be a difficult decision. Chance to cash in with life-changing money, but knowing that you're signing up for a horrendous situation. That said, if Oats is the coach we think he is, he may turn that program around and continue to move up the ladder.

Alternative: wait one more year, hopefully achieve the same level of success, potentially receive a better offer at a more stable program which would not represent a Herculean task to turn around. Downside- let's say we have a rash of injuries and the wheels come off. What if this opportunity never comes again?

On the administrative side, just hope they have a plan of succession to allow our program to continue to grow.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: Jeseph on March 23, 2018, 12:51:45 PM
PLEASE

Quote from: Adam Zagoria on Twitter
Pittsburgh is now targeting @BonniesMBB coach Mark Schmidt as its next coach, source says.

source (http://"https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/977224498628956160")
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: guru on March 23, 2018, 02:08:37 PM
I also seen that Mark Schmidt's name has surfaced for the Pit job. It might make sense with him after losing three of his top players and I have not really seen or heard of any top recrruits signed at Bona. In Nate Oats case with many of his top players back and the recruiting class coming in you would think he would want to stick around especially with his contract extension. I suppose it must be tough to live and support a family on $600,000 a year. In today's world all the emphsis seems to be only on money. Still hoping for coaches Oats and Jack to be here for the forseeable future. Go Bulls!!!
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB92 on March 23, 2018, 02:16:28 PM
Gotta be a difficult decision. Chance to cash in with life-changing money, but knowing that you're signing up for a horrendous situation. That said, if Oats is the coach we think he is, he may turn that program around and continue to move up the ladder.

Alternative: wait one more year, hopefully achieve the same level of success, potentially receive a better offer at a more stable program which would not represent a Herculean task to turn around. Downside- let's say we have a rash of injuries and the wheels come off. What if this opportunity never comes again?

On the administrative side, just hope they have a plan of succession to allow our program to continue to grow.


Here is the thing, though.  Pitt was obviously horrible this year.  But that rebuilding job is going to take something.  They are rebuilding in the ACC, not the OVC. 

I would like to see someone do some research on when was the last time a team won 0 games in conference in the ACC and how long it took them to make it to the NCAA tournament.  I would think that only bottom feeders couldn't manage to win a game in the ACC and they were probably bad for many years.  Maybe Wake Forest?


[Time elapses]

Okay...I have checked.  Wake won 0 conference games in 1985 and made the tournament five years later.  I can't think of any team that would have lost 0 games in the ACC other than Wake.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on March 23, 2018, 02:17:15 PM
PLEASE

Quote from: Adam Zagoria on Twitter
Pittsburgh is now targeting @BonniesMBB coach Mark Schmidt as its next coach, source says.

source (http://"https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/977224498628956160")

Good news hopefully. Bronstein also reporting Oats is expected in Albany tomorrow as well. Could it be that Nate said thanks, but no thanks to Pitt? Schmidt would be a good hire for Pitt. He took over a scandal plagued Bona program with one recruits welding certificate being the basis of his admission. He turned the program around and successfully recruited very good talent to Olean, no small feat.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: strong like bull on March 23, 2018, 04:43:06 PM
Gotta be a difficult decision. Chance to cash in with life-changing money, but knowing that you're signing up for a horrendous situation. That said, if Oats is the coach we think he is, he may turn that program around and continue to move up the ladder.

Alternative: wait one more year, hopefully achieve the same level of success, potentially receive a better offer at a more stable program which would not represent a Herculean task to turn around. Downside- let's say we have a rash of injuries and the wheels come off. What if this opportunity never comes again?

On the administrative side, just hope they have a plan of succession to allow our program to continue to grow.


Here is the thing, though.  Pitt was obviously horrible this year.  But that rebuilding job is going to take something.  They are rebuilding in the ACC, not the OVC. 

I would like to see someone do some research on when was the last time a team won 0 games in conference in the ACC and how long it took them to make it to the NCAA tournament.  I would think that only bottom feeders couldn't manage to win a game in the ACC and they were probably bad for many years.  Maybe Wake Forest?


[Time elapses]

Okay...I have checked.  Wake won 0 conference games in 1985 and made the tournament five years later.  I can't think of any team that would have lost 0 games in the ACC other than Wake.

I know Georgia Tech was winless in the ACC in 1980-81; Maryland in '86-'87; Boston College 2015-16; Clemson a couple times back in the early 1950's. The aforementioned Wake Forest team, and now Pitt. May be a few more, but those I are the ones I can think of.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: admin on March 23, 2018, 05:15:39 PM
Honestly, it doesn’t take long to rebuild in basketball. Calipari and now Duke somewhat do it every year. If you can recruit, you can win right away.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on March 23, 2018, 07:46:22 PM
Schmidt reportedly no longer under consideration at Pitt. Shaq!! https://www.cardiachill.com/2018/3/23/17157518/mark-schmidt-pitt-coach-search-basketball-ncaa
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: squire17 on March 23, 2018, 08:23:40 PM
That’s good for Bonaventure at least. Still don’t think Oats is leaving this year. Next year, sure. And for his sake hopefully a program that’s not at the bottom of the heap.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on March 23, 2018, 08:34:09 PM
That’s good for Bonaventure at least. Still don’t think Oats is leaving this year. Next year, sure. And for his sake hopefully a program that’s not at the bottom of the heap.

Read some scuttlebutt about Schmidt possibly at Xavier if Chris Mack goes to Louisville which seems like it’s going to happen. Schmidt supposedly going to meet with administrators at Bona tomorrow. Apparently he isn’t happy about something. That’s per a Bona press type
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: rma on March 23, 2018, 08:51:27 PM
I hate Bona, but it's bad for Big 4 basketball if he leaves and St Bonaventure sucks at basketball.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: enrique14150 on March 24, 2018, 12:59:35 AM
I want to believe that a person sticks by their word - and I feel that by agreeing to that extension, that was Oats giving us his word that he was staying for at least another year.  I think it would've been rotten to do that and turn around and do otherwise.  As we've all seen the finances involved aren't enough to scare anyone from a bigger conference away.  To me it was the symbolism of it, from both sides.  So I remain confident about this for now.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: guru on March 24, 2018, 04:11:20 PM
Totaly agree enrique. If UB did not give Nate the contract extension I think Nate would take another coaching position to a higher rated conference. I also remain confident that he will stay at UB with the kind of big bump up in salary he received. Now it is the new AD Mark Alnutt's turn to show coach Jack how much they want her to stay at UB. Go Bulls!!!!
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on March 24, 2018, 04:17:11 PM
I think we need to think outside the box. While I believe Nate will be here next year there is a great deal of uncertainty the year after especially with another excellent team. If I was the new AD I’d sit down with Nate ASAP and ask him point blank what needs to be done to keep him here long term. I would also be looking at big time financial boosters and potential boosters and approach them to see if they could fund a Nate Oats coaching annuity so that his salary could be increased even more so that he’s shown that his vision of making UB one of the top mid major programs a reality.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: MDBullsfan89 on March 24, 2018, 08:10:49 PM
Have to think Porter Moser will be a hot P5 candidate too whenever Loyola's run ends. Congrats to them on the Final Four!
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: squire17 on March 24, 2018, 08:30:40 PM
Have to think Porter Moser will be a hot P5 candidate too whenever Loyola's run ends. Congrats to them on the Final Four!
I think he’s making $420k this year in Chicago. So yeah he’ll be in a candidate for the P5.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: McBulls on March 24, 2018, 09:02:18 PM
Meh. I know he has a team in the Final Four, but this is his third D1 job and this was his first winning season in the Valley. I'm not sure I would be too excited about handing him a P5 program if I'm an AD.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: guru on March 24, 2018, 09:10:56 PM
Totally agree UB85 about thinking outside the box. If President Tripathi and Mark Alnutt want to make UB into a destination for players and show the community they are invested in big time college basketball they need to offer big time bucks to Oats and Jack. All the positive vibes have been set in motion and we need to keep this train rolling. Hope for increased fund raising and increased season ticket interest. Go Bulls!!!!
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: MDBullsfan89 on March 25, 2018, 03:13:40 AM
Meh. I know he has a team in the Final Four, but this is his third D1 job and this was his first winning season in the Valley. I'm not sure I would be too excited about handing him a P5 program if I'm an AD.

I don't disagree, but I'm hoping for our sake some P5 AD gets caught up in the Final Four excitement and hires him rather than making a run at Oats.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: squire17 on March 25, 2018, 03:35:15 AM
Meh. I know he has a team in the Final Four, but this is his third D1 job and this was his first winning season in the Valley. I'm not sure I would be too excited about handing him a P5 program if I'm an AD.
Jim Whitesell was Moser’s predecessor at Loyola Chicago. He had one winning season there in Horizon/MVC, and yet look at how respected he is by UB. Not saying Moser is going to get an offer, but getting to the final four sure isn’t going to hurt. 😃
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: admin on March 26, 2018, 03:28:34 PM
Next year, if it comes to it, we should have a succession plan.

We should go with the hot coach from Loyola Chicago.  Jim Whitesell.  We're fortunate to have a former D1 head coach on our staff.  He's the most logical choice. 

We should also elevate Coach Hogson an Associate Head Coach similar to coach Whitesell's role now. 
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: BrooklynBull on March 26, 2018, 03:36:01 PM
Next year, if it comes to it, we should have a succession plan.

We should go with the hot coach from Loyola Chicago.  Jim Whitesell.  We're fortunate to have a former D1 head coach on our staff.  He's the most logical choice. 

We should also elevate Coach Hogson an Associate Head Coach similar to coach Whitesell's role now.

All athletic directors have short lists for replacements, regardless of the level, for football and basketball coaches.  It also applies in some other sports as well.  I am sure Warde Manjuel had a short list when it was time to replace Red Berenson as hockey coach at Michigan.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: skrabukes on March 26, 2018, 06:34:57 PM
Let's just enjoy what we've got, for as long as they are here and not assume or presume that they're going now or any other time. We don't know who would offer them, or how much, or if they desire those positions. Both coaches have built a program. These programs are their doing, along with their staffs and players, but it was their vision. I for one appreciate all that each have done and sincerely hope that they will be here for as long as possible. Until otherwise stated, I'm only going to be happy for the tremendous season that I was able to witness from both teams. Every game witnessed was a pleasure, both in person and on tv. Thankfully I was able to see all of the home games and many postseason games! Many years have passed where those games watched were just like the current Sabres games, just something to do, cheer on the home team, but there was no possibilities of success. This year's team was different from Day 1, the vision was there from the coaches, and the players carried it through. Go Bulls!
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: sportscliche on March 26, 2018, 09:18:05 PM
Fans should enjoy and appreciate what has been built at UB, but it makes sense to be pragmatic. Oats talked about establishing the program as a mid-major power akin to Wichita State and Gonzaga. But there are couple of salient facts: i) Neither of those schools plays D1 football and ii) Greg Marshall and Mark Few make 7-figures annually.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: 121Merrimac on March 26, 2018, 09:58:05 PM
...and ii) Greg Marshall and Mark Few make 7-figures annually.

Sure, they do now.  But, how much did they make in their 4th season as head coach?
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: skrabukes on March 26, 2018, 09:59:47 PM
No matter what we say on here will change what will or will not happen regarding staying/going, so it's not worth the "when (s)he's gone talk". Instead, let's focus on how great this past season was and how great next year has the potential to be. On the men's side, we were greatly anticipating an awesome team last year at this time (for this year's team) and it was realized. Same thoughts went for the women's team. Next year's team has a chance to exceed this year's performance based on it's potential on paper, so let's start talking about the great senior class, CJ, Perk, Harris, Dontay, Montell. Wow, that's one heck of a lineup, and that's only the seniors. Then you've got Davonte with another season under his belt. Graves will not be a freshman anymore. Reece, Bertram will have another off-season to continue to grow. Then the recruiting class, crazy. Positive thoughts are only going to be in my mind as all of this is considered.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: Jeseph on March 27, 2018, 11:55:11 AM
Pitt is expected to hire Jeff Capel III (assistant from Duke), so that bullet is officially dodged.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: guru on March 27, 2018, 12:06:18 PM
Does anyone have any information on who Louisville is looking for to coach and what other colleges are still looking for coaches? Have not heard any more about Mark Schmidt's name being mentioned about other colleges. I do agree Skrabukes about this past season. Both teams brought so much excitement and with both home records being outstanding. Have not had this much anticipation for the upcoming season in a long time. Go Bulls!!!!
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: Jeseph on March 27, 2018, 12:07:54 PM
Does anyone have any information on who Louisville is looking for to coach and what other colleges are still looking for coaches? Have not heard any more about Mark Schmidt's name being mentioned about other colleges. I do agree Skrabukes about this past season. Both teams brought so much excitement and with both home records being outstanding. Have not had this much anticipation for the upcoming season in a long time. Go Bulls!!!!

All reports are that Louisville will hire Chris Mack from Xavier. Xavier doesn't have Pitt money and seems to have a list ready that includes 2 internal/alums so I think we're "safe" there. I don't think the other potential openings threaten us if the Pitt $$ didn't (for this year).
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: cheese_66 on March 27, 2018, 01:10:02 PM
Really surprised Pitt was able to pull in Capel. He was supposedly the coach in waiting at Duke for when Coach K retires.

Agree with Jeseph that we should be safe from Xavier. I imagine they'll pull an assistant from their own staff.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: uberie on March 27, 2018, 04:47:57 PM
Really surprised Pitt was able to pull in Capel. He was supposedly the coach in waiting at Duke for when Coach K retires.

Agree with Jeseph that we should be safe from Xavier. I imagine they'll pull an assistant from their own staff.

Still could be.  If Coach K isn't retiring for a few years.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: BrazenBull on April 07, 2018, 05:11:49 PM
... but the cupboard is far from bare with returnees and incoming recruits.

I wish I knew more about how the WBB recruits compare with other schools.  We have been spoiled by VerbalCommits dot com on the men's side.  Are there any sites that anyone uses for WBB recruiting info? 

I just found https://prospectsnation.com/players/verbals/2018, but have no idea how reliable it is.  It doesn't list anyone for Buffalo, and suggests that both Miami and EMU have a 4 star player coming in next year.

Came across this interview just now. Looks like we have some tall, athletic recruits coming

https://twitter.com/haprusak/status/982368659443212289?s=19
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: RecoveringHillbilly on August 17, 2018, 08:22:58 AM
Oats gets his family dream home, $999k gets you more on GI than other places he could have left to coach:

https://buffalonews.com/2018/08/17/ub-hoops-coach-nate-oats-buys-waterfront-dream-house/ (https://buffalonews.com/2018/08/17/ub-hoops-coach-nate-oats-buys-waterfront-dream-house/)
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: ubbulls98 on August 17, 2018, 10:04:33 AM
Duke dodged a bullet by not hiring Capel.  IMHO.

Chris Collins will be the next Duke after Coach K retires.  Mark that down.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: ubbulls98 on August 17, 2018, 10:05:35 AM
Duke dodged a bullet by not hiring Capel.  IMHO.

Chris Collins will be the next Duke after Coach K retires.  Mark that down.

*Duke coach, rather
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: mikescherrer8 on August 17, 2018, 12:29:13 PM
Oats gets his family dream home, $999k gets you more on GI than other places he could have left to coach:

https://buffalonews.com/2018/08/17/ub-hoops-coach-nate-oats-buys-waterfront-dream-house/ (https://buffalonews.com/2018/08/17/ub-hoops-coach-nate-oats-buys-waterfront-dream-house/)

I'd love to read the article, but sadly, I have run out of free articles to read on TBN.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: BrooklynBull on August 17, 2018, 02:05:46 PM
Oats gets his family dream home, $999k gets you more on GI than other places he could have left to coach:

https://buffalonews.com/2018/08/17/ub-hoops-coach-nate-oats-buys-waterfront-dream-house/ (https://buffalonews.com/2018/08/17/ub-hoops-coach-nate-oats-buys-waterfront-dream-house/)

I'd love to read the article, but sadly, I have run out of free articles to read on TBN.

Try another browser.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: squire17 on August 18, 2018, 04:31:41 PM
The new house reportedly is near Beaver Island State Park and is on the water across from Canada. It’s great news! I hope his wife and kids love to swim and fish.
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: squire17 on August 18, 2018, 04:54:58 PM
Just looked on Zillow...nothing. Trulia has it - breathtaking!
Title: Re: Odds on keeping FLJ and NO
Post by: UB85 on August 20, 2018, 11:48:45 AM
The new house reportedly is near Beaver Island State Park and is on the water across from Canada. It’s great news! I hope his wife and kids love to swim and fish.

Not sure about the fishing part, but the entire family loves the water. He has a pretty big boat as well. He's out with the family, friends and the team all the time. They are certainly loving their time in Buffalo and Western New York.