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Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: A Road Trip the Players and Fans Would Like...

« on: April 20, 2018, 12:51:25 PM »

Brook, I'm thinking the equipment staff would need help with this one.  I'm in.

YOu can't be any worse than Kent's crew...

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: 2018 - 2019 Roster - Looking Forward

« on: March 28, 2018, 12:53:20 PM »

I'm hoping Brock steps up... Great height if the S&C coaches can coax a little more athleticism out of him he will fit the role perfectly.

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General Discussion / Re: UBfan.com - your feedback is needed

« on: March 28, 2018, 12:13:08 PM »

I have passed that along to our tech people but it's not a high priority for them.

In the mean time when BSF writes an essay I just hide the post and tell him to put it in a fanpost...

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: Finances for the tourney

« on: March 28, 2018, 12:10:59 PM »

Unfortunately you never can be 100%sure when it's going to snow in wny. Maybe they could do an early season OOC game? I bet Terry Pegula could coax Penn State to play.

Yea, and that was the problem. The Early season does not make sense because Students are on campus. That black Friday game is perfect because kids are not on campus. I'd love the idea of doing one of the early "MACTION" games at the stadium (Like November 6th). Snow is not out of the question, but it's a lot less likely than later in the month. But then you need to figure out a way to get anywhere from a few hundred to a couple of thousand students from Amherst to Orchard Park.   
 
And even with the Big stadium no power team is going to come to Buffalo to play. I mean *maybe* you could get a big indy like ND or BYU if it's a neutral site game but not as a UB home game. 

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: Finances for the tourney

« on: March 28, 2018, 12:09:57 AM »

Define empty. UB drew 26,226 at that game.

Were you there? 

That must be the number of tickets sold/given away. Full capacity is nearly 72,000. Upper bowl was closed. Lower bowl North (sunny) side was full. Lower Bowl South (shade) side was nearly empty. Endzones were empty.

I was sitting nearly by myself on the south side because I was too lazy to move to the sunny side.

I watched on TV and thought it was a better looking crowd than the alleged 4,000 (more like 400) that a late season game at UB Stadium draws.

I'll take 26K in a 72K stadium over 4K in 30K stadium.

I had heard the only down side to that game, economically, was that the school had to pay for the snow removal. If they could *Guarantee* that they would not have to remove snow the school would have done it again under White.

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General Discussion / Re: UBfan.com - your feedback is needed

« on: March 27, 2018, 11:14:29 AM »

The Bull Run editors use slack as our water cooler. We chat there and plan on things to post. It might sever you well to set up one for UB fan with a similar purpose. So that you and the other admins can have a really convenient and closed chat interface.

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: Finances for the tourney

« on: March 26, 2018, 02:22:16 PM »

Could not read the article because it is behind a pay wall.

However, my understanding is that money is paid out per game played which is really given to the conferences and split among the schools.  I also believe the further you go the more money is paid in the later rounds.  That is why the PAC12 is upset this year.  Only three games played.  Not sure of the schools that earn the money get a higher percentage.

More money could be coming in on the wome's side with at least six games being played.

The MAC had some secret formula for distributing NCAA Units bases on a lot of factors.

1 - A large part of the distribution was given out equally to the entire conference
2 - A formula was applied to the rest which gives points for (NCAA tourney games played, home games played, attendance, RPI, ....)

Given UB has played 4 of the MAC's last 6 NCAA games and we've been pretty high up in RPI this year were likely getting a big chunck of that.

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General Discussion / Re: UBfan.com - your feedback is needed

« on: March 26, 2018, 10:56:21 AM »

I had a mild beef with UBBullRun when they were really lagging in women's basketball coverage. I get that it's all volunteer and sometimes there aren't enough of them, but to not even have a game thread for women's games?

It was a hard year, because we lost several contributors. It went from Me, Conrad, Dave, Matt,  Robby, and John last year to basically Me with a bit from Robby and Kevin.

Everyone had life changes so it's cool. Fortunately Kevin and Robby are getting freed up and Matt is going to start spinning out more coverage.

Next year we expect a game thread for every hoops (M/W) game and some other sports when there is a demand for it.

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General Discussion / Re: UBfan.com - your feedback is needed

« on: March 26, 2018, 10:50:50 AM »

It's not mobile friendly in the least.

This is actually a great point. The geeks at SBNation put a ton of effort into making the sites mobile friendly, it helps people at events and on tablets to participate.

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General Discussion / Re: UBfan.com - your feedback is needed

« on: March 26, 2018, 10:47:49 AM »

I create a lot of the posts anyways. Most of the guys at UBBullRun are annoyed with me anyways. They are more satisfied with effort/status quo and not with development and advancement of the fan base to deserve more out of their team/coaches/school.

Please don't misrepresent the UBBR communities positions here. You regularly focus in on a some particular student athlete and do nothing but run them down in game threads... Your comments are 90% negative even in a season when we set a school record for wins and won our NCAA tournament game. Yes, it's annoying...

As to UBFan.com

I think part of the problem is that it became an insular community of insiders. When I joined 10 years ago it was still a very warm and welcoming place. I noticed that over time it began to feel like new people who were not in on the old jokes just didn't fit in.

So I love that you've put social media and student outreach there. While the technology is a bit dated, it's a bulletin board, it is just as effective now as ever.

Adding "like" would be nice, it's become kind of expected on every platform, but other than that your site is fine.

If there is anything I can do over on UBBR to promote ubfan please let me know! BR never would have made it if not for the community which was built by you guys over here and I will never for get that.

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General Discussion / Re: American Athletic Conference

« on: March 14, 2018, 02:52:59 PM »

I don't think that UB belongs in the AAC for many reasons, primarily the geographic disconnect. As long as they're committed to football, the MAC is the only realistic conference. It would be nice to fantasize about the Big 10, but that's never going to happen. The A10 is strictly basketball (with some lower level football). The Big East doesn't fit either. The MAC isn't that bad actually.

Wait the American, with Buffalo, would have

Buffalo, UConn, Navy, Temple, Cincy, USF, UCF, and East Carolina... That is not "geographic disconnect" that is a map of where our alumni base lives... It's a far better conference in those terms for football / hoops than the MAC. I imagine flying charter to Orlando is not a whole lot more expensive than flying charter to Kalamazoo or Mount Pleasant...

Now where it would kill us would be the non revenue sports. And in that it might not be worth the move from a financial standpoint.

But when you throw in NCAA units and better TV contract it could work. 
 
But until we own the MAC in one sport and play well nationally in that sport we won't be considered.

Houston, Wichita St, Tulane, SMU, Memphis, Tulsa...Navy only Football. Buffalo doesn't fit. Maybe UB doesn't fit anywhere too well. Still think the MAC, with all its warts, is the best available match.

That would be the other division... And I think the chance to play games where our Alumni live regularly is worth it.

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General Discussion / Re: American Athletic Conference

« on: March 13, 2018, 08:31:36 PM »

I don't think that UB belongs in the AAC for many reasons, primarily the geographic disconnect. As long as they're committed to football, the MAC is the only realistic conference. It would be nice to fantasize about the Big 10, but that's never going to happen. The A10 is strictly basketball (with some lower level football). The Big East doesn't fit either. The MAC isn't that bad actually.

Wait the American, with Buffalo, would have

Buffalo, UConn, Navy, Temple, Cincy, USF, UCF, and East Carolina... That is not "geographic disconnect" that is a map of where our alumni base lives... It's a far better conference in those terms for football / hoops than the MAC. I imagine flying charter to Orlando is not a whole lot more expensive than flying charter to Kalamazoo or Mount Pleasant...

Now where it would kill us would be the non revenue sports. And in that it might not be worth the move from a financial standpoint.

But when you throw in NCAA units and better TV contract it could work. 
 
But until we own the MAC in one sport and play well nationally in that sport we won't be considered.

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Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: Thoughts on Bucky's Latest Article

« on: February 04, 2018, 01:20:59 AM »

Football Attendance 16,13,16,15,12,18 -> That's not a strong positive trend, that's one decent-ish year. Further if you look at that year the Season opener against Stony Brook drew 21K, the other games were meh.... 

Yes, if you go outside of those three years to add more data, you will find it is cyclical.  Which is my point.  White rode a cycle where the program was up.

What part of "not a positive trend" did you not understand... FFS man, I even drew you a picture!

The 2014 season saw an uptick in attendance because the Bulls were coming off their second ever bowl game.

Then tell me why, cupcake, 2009 was so low, after coming off our first.

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Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: Thoughts on Bucky's Latest Article

« on: January 27, 2018, 08:01:22 PM »

Football
2006 16,417
2007 13,568
2008 16,924


Year   |   White?   |   basketball   |   football   |   Contributions
2009 10   |   Before   |   1,977   |   15,960   |   $308,429
2010 11   |   Before   |   2,039   |   12,980   |   $731,269
2011 12   |   Before   |   3,073   |   18,020   |   $384,436

2012 13   |   Durring   |   3,093   |   13,242   |   $1,320,953
2013 14   |   Durring   |   3,486   |   22,736   |   $384,436
2014 15   |   Durring   |   3,639   |   20,403   |   $600,252

2015 16   |   After   |   3,243   |   18,457   |   $1,058,460
2016 17   |   After   |   3,791   |   17,493   |   $1,913,487
2017 18   |   After   |   2,256   |   13,350   |   TBD

Highest attendance for each three year period marked in bold.

Let's go through the flaws here..
Football Attendance 16,13,16,15,12,18 -> That's not a strong positive trend, that's one decent-ish year. Further if you look at that year the Season opener against Stony Brook drew 21K, the other games were meh....


Once you dig down into the numbers beyond "muh averages" it's pretty clear White improved attendance and UB. In both football and hoops.

Now, I'd like to clarify that I've never said NYBI did anything for attendance...The concert series and game day changes which were made under white had the most to do with that. Those are the aspects that have not changed. Greene kept doing what white started, that's why he was the right hire.

NYBI was about donations and profile and, funny, you left those out of your in depth analysis. So I put them in for you...

Now, bearing in mind that Greene retained most of white's staff and kept ahead with everything he could from his predecessors regime. Look what happened.. UB has had three years of 1M+ donations since white came here and *0* before that.

White did not excel at Buffalo.  Buffalo excelled in a window that happened to fit in with the time White happened to be stopping by.

That's a real convenient.... Except you're leaving out the fact that Warde Manuel was also an outsider, like white, who rattled a whole lot of cages when he got here.

The attendance was already trending upward before White arrived.

Here it is visually for you, tell me what you notice..

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Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: Thoughts on Bucky's Latest Article

« on: January 22, 2018, 09:57:45 PM »

>  I think Danny White was a failure at UB.

Higher attendance, more conference titles, more money raised....

I can only hope our Next AD is a failure by those measures.