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Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: Back to Columbia, MO
« on: August 09, 2018, 03:23:19 PM »
Maybe ADMA plans to stick around till 2024 to have his squad face his Alma Mater? That would be nice

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: 2018-2019 Schedules
« on: August 08, 2018, 02:59:38 PM »

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: 2018-2019 Schedules
« on: August 08, 2018, 12:34:07 PM »

You said the MAC made great money off their TV contracts and they don't.  $700k for all sports--basketball and football--is not a lucrative football contract. 


That's not what I said. I said at the G5 level, the money is too good, one of several reasons schools are not looking to drop football.

As far as Buffalo goes, I agree with you on the stadium and the weeknight games, our struggles are lack of fan support, but these things damage our ability to build a fan base. At the end of the day, our only hope is for the product on the field to improve.

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: 2018-2019 Schedules
« on: August 07, 2018, 02:58:46 PM »
The tv money in football is too good

Each school in the MAC gets $700k a year from the TV deal.  For comparison, UB is getting $1.8 Million for ONE GAME at Ohio State.

The TV money is horrible! And it is only that high because of the weeknight games which no one attends but gives ESPN something to put on TV.

...Compared to the A10's previous deal that gave teams about $312k a year... (https://www.vuhoops.com/2012/10/3/3448930/basketball-isnt-worth-much-to-tv)

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: 2018-2019 Schedules
« on: August 06, 2018, 07:54:04 PM »

1.  It is my contention that while UB addressed an issue in the short-term, the football question is going to come up over and over again.  Nothing has been addressed...only delayed..with those programs UB eliminated as a temporary fix.
2.  I am not sure why you are quoting revenues for b-ball or football without any commentary on the costs.
3.  What is the relationship (without cherry picking examples) of enrollment and football success?  Does that study exist?
4.  What does the endowment have to do with anything?  Truly, I am asking, since a university doesn't have one endowment, but has many, many funds that are endowed for specific purposes.

1. Could be true for UB, the stadium is so bad it's a negative X-factor. Your original post said this would be a G5-wide issue, I disagree but time will tell.

2. Nationwide, football nets more money than Basketball. That may not be the case at Buffalo. To quote the great Cat in the Hat, it's fun to have fun, but you have to know how.

3. My argument is that football helps increase # of applications. I think NCAA Tourney helps your yield as it occurs during acceptance letter time. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flutie_effect

4. Just saying that this debate is often framed at what a University can afford...i.e. you have to cut football if you want to be able to afford big time basketball, however there is also something to be said for University priorities. The endowment (generally the measure of a University's wealth) and price per person figures were there to illustrate that point. If UB leadership said lets spend our resources at the same rate as St. Bonaventure, we'd have between 38 million (5.75% of the endowment) and $46 million ($1,642/student).

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: 2018-2019 Schedules
« on: August 06, 2018, 01:22:18 AM »
I think this is overstated, the current decision for G5 schools is whether to continue playing all sports or to cut down to your sport minimum and reinvest in Football and Basketball.  UB already made that decision.

The tv money in football is too good, the exposure, the auxiliary benefits, (football season is during application season) and ultimately, the attendance is the best, even at UB 6 games at 20k = 120k fans vs basketball's 15 games at 3k = 45k fans.

When it comes to Bona vs UB, Bona spends 1.2 million more than UB on Men's Basketball annually per EADA reports.

But based on their resources, Bona's spending represents 5.75% of their endowment and their per student cost is $1,642

UB's spending represents .34% of their endowment and their per student cost is $72. They'd only need to increase per student spending by $40 to bridge the gap between UB and Bona.

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: 2018-2019 Schedules
« on: August 04, 2018, 01:55:07 AM »
Winning your conference is unsustainable... from a fan of a team with 3 conference championship appearances (and one win) in 40 years.

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Buffalo Bulls Basketball / Re: 2018-2019 Schedules
« on: August 02, 2018, 04:41:03 AM »
2017 we averaged 3791 fans (assuming paid attendance) and made no more than 249,329 in Ticket Revenue. For conversation say each of those tickets were season and each paid $100 in donation, then basketball would have made $48,340 at the most per game in 2017.

Same numbers in 2018, but more home games and lower average attendance, that number falls to $39,453/game in 2018.

Buying a home game these days starts at around 20k and goes up to around 100k so economically it's gonna be hard to bring a team in. I think we need to start getting more 6k crowds and the good home games will follow.

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Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: Thoughts on Bucky's Latest Article
« on: May 30, 2018, 08:30:26 PM »
I'm on team no coverage is better than bad coverage.

Despite their claims, the void between blogger and journalist is not that vast. My #1 USC football follow was writing for Conquest Chronicles (SB Nation's USC site) 5 years ago, and now he's USC beat writer for OC Register. TBN should bring in a young UB grad to cover UB sports with passion. Which would give them better coverage for cheaper.

I assume over their 20 year careers, the Bucky's and Sully's of TBN have benefits and compensation that outpace their utility, ESPECIALLY if instead of using their platform to grow the readership (i.e. 10 reasons why you SHOULD be following UB Football) they use their platform to stagnate or decrease their following (10 reasons why UB Football shouldn't exist)

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Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: Please Identify & Educate Tim Riordan
« on: May 19, 2018, 05:31:28 PM »
As much as I respect Tim, his tangents against Bucky Gleason are a bit over the top. He cares way too much about what any of the columnists have opinions on.

In my time at BR the problem with TBN is complex. We primarily wrote to diehards who know to ignore TBN, but we also wanted to grow our appeal especially when big events occur (Mack, NCAA run etc). If you ignore TBN, it creates a national echo chamber. TBN says UB isn't serious about Basketball, it doesn't matter to the diehards, but it matters to the casual fans in Buffalo and around the nation.

That's how stories like this: "Report: Bobby Hurley left Buffalo after AD mishandling" (link below) get circulated and get accepted as fact. This hurts UB as stories like this could prevent good coaches from coming to UB. Stories about "Buffalo should drop to FCS" creates uncertainty and discourages recruits from coming to UB.

So at least now when you google Buffalo Bulls Bucky Gleason, the first line that pops up is a Bull Run article challenging Bucky's claims that can give outsiders a more balanced view of UB Athletics.

I wonder why Bucky continues to write the same article over and over and why he's allowed to.
I enjoyed ADMA's "Bless your heart" response to TBNBG's stupid FCS question: "What you said is what I’ve heard about your stance. I appreciate it. Thank you for that. It’s consistent."


https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2015/04/10/report-bobby-hurley-left-buffalo-after-ad-mishandling/25584229/

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Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: Please Identify & Educate Tim Riordan
« on: May 18, 2018, 12:56:57 AM »
Counting wins before the final gun is kinda what got Temple in trouble in 2008... guess you can teach a Temple man, but you can't make him learn.

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Buffalo Bulls Football / Re: Please Identify & Educate Tim Riordan
« on: May 16, 2018, 08:45:21 PM »
This thread is a bit of a Hail Mary don't you think?

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YYZ -> HNL is extremely reasonable year round, only way I can afford to ever head back east.
Problem with  that is the same thing that stopped the International Bowl.  The whole team would need proper documentation for going to Canada.  Although, it hasn't stopped the Bahamas Bowl yet.

I meant for fans...Buffalo area fans could get a RT from Toronto for 400-500 which is crazy cheap. When I go home, I usually fly to Toronto and drive down.  BUF to Honolulu is probably 1000-1500 RT.

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YYZ -> HNL is extremely reasonable year round, only way I can afford to ever head back east.


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Sounds like they are flying commercial, with a minimum of two and one half hours to an airport.  If they were flying charter they could leave from Albany directly.

It looks like it will be three players to a room.  There are a number of expenses not covered, including getting the equipment to and from the plane in Hawaii.  There will need to be a number of rental vehicles needed.  These expenses will eat into the payout.

Despite what is included in the contract, it is a lot of uncomfortable travel for $150,000.00.

This hurts my feelings.

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